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Obama faults himself for not selling health law
ERICA WERNER
From Associated Press
September 22, 2010 6:42 PM EDT

FALLS CHURCH, Va. (AP) — Blaming himself for coolness to his health care
overhaul, President Barack Obama is seeking to reintroduce the law to voters
who don't much like or understand it six months after he signed it.

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Won't waste time with the whole article, it's just amazing to me that this
arrogant idiotic S.O.B. still thinks that the whole problem with healthcare is we're
still just to stupid to understand it.

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

NEWSFLASH Komrade Presidente'....maybe we understand it already...we just
don't want to become the Socialist States of AmerikA and all that entales.

How about JOBS...hello...
 
Not to start a fight with other brother Busa riders, but most liberals look at the world that way. They feel they are so enlightened and so much more intelligent than the rest of the world. They don't understand why we can't see things as clearly as they can. It's sheer narcissism to a degree that I honestly believe most of them are genuinely mentally ill.
 
Hey what happened to the youtube Icon....???



I thought she was awesome and hit the nail right on the head...

- Obama Supporter To Obama: "I'm Exhausted Of Defending You"[/url]
 
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Won't waste time with the whole article, it's just amazing to me that this
arrogant idiotic S.O.B. still thinks that the whole problem with healthcare is we're
still just to stupid to understand it.

Well...it's not like the information you go off of or propagate regarding the matter is factual or has merit, so I can easily see his point. :whistle: :rofl:
 
Well...it's not like the information you go off of or propagate regarding the matter is factual or has merit, so I can easily see his point. :whistle: :rofl:

In a perfect world, it seems as Obama's ideas and beliefs that he shares with liberals world work. Unfortunately this is not a perfect world, nor will never be, so by bringing his ideas to reality in the current world creates a completely unfair society because it costs too much money to regulate that it becomes too costly to continue to run.

Very similar idea to communism. Very great concept, if you could get it to work. Cant get it to work though, purely because of the human element.
 
How is communism a great concept? Perhaps if you strive for mediocrity or you're a poor uneducated person, then I can see perhaps where it might be desireable to share in the overall wealth. But for most of us here, we like your toys and we like our freedom. Neither of which would be available to us under a communist society.
 
How is communism a great concept? Perhaps if you strive for mediocrity or you're a poor uneducated person, then I can see perhaps where it might be desireable to share in the overall wealth. But for most of us here, we like your toys and we like our freedom. Neither of which would be available to us under a communist society.

The theory is everyone is assigned a job and everyone does their job. Services that are needed are applied to everyone without discrimination and everyone gets serviced.

Yes, it does not allow for one person to have more than another, but in the aspect that everyone is taken care of and each person is a working member of society, it is superior. Elimination of classes, elimination of competition (aggression, envy, crime). Would it be mundane? Yes. Without the human element though, you eliminate crime, and bias because there is no strive for anyone to take what isnt theirs because everyone has the same. There is no bias towards others because there is no strive to be "unique" or "different".

Again, its a concept that only works on paper and should never be truly implemented.

In contrast, I dont believe that all people share the same value. If you work hard, you should be rewarded. If you cant fend for yourself, your loss, it is not anyone else's responsibility do to so.
 
I think perhaps I take issue with the "it works on paper" assertion, when so many things seem to work on paper, yet this doesn't mean they are positive or beneficial. Genocide "works on paper" yet it is hardly desirable. I see nothing beneficial from mediocrity.

In my opinion, capitalism is the most beneficial system in the world. The United States has one of the highest quality of life for our impoverished people.

Food for thought

Fortysix percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a threebedroom house with oneandahalf baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
Seventysix percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than twothirds have more than two rooms per person.
The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
Nearly threequarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.
Ninetyseven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
Seventyeight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
Seventythree percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.
 
I think perhaps I take issue with the "it works on paper" assertion, when so many things seem to work on paper, yet this doesn't mean they are positive or beneficial. Genocide "works on paper" yet it is hardly desirable. I see nothing beneficial from mediocrity.

In my opinion, capitalism is the most beneficial system in the world. The United States has one of the highest quality of life for our impoverished people.

Food for thought

Point taken, but the idea of a communist society wouldnt have to address that there are 'poor' households.

The reason why the united states has the highest quality of life for our impoverished people is because of our 'required' socialized care, something I disagree with.

I work to make money, and there for, I get to give money to a government that hands my earned money to people that dont earn it.
As a working class citizen, I am forced to contribute to programs that I dont agree with that give money to people who do nothing to earn it, or people that dont deserve it.
I still believe in the old concept of the American Dream, where a person can work had and make a good living for their family, which has since shifted to a person can get something for nothing.

Do I think that we should turn our backs on the poverty stricken? No. But I do not think that we should be required to help them. It should simply be a choice.

Why?
The woman who has another baby to collect more welfare money (and subsequently disregards the fact that the money is to help feed and raise the child, thus creating more povery)
The drug dealers collecting welfare.
The unemployed worker collecting unemployment checks while not searching for a job.
The families on welfare that live in a crap apartment complaining they dont have enough food to eat while watching their 50" LCD tvs with cable television.
People CHOOSING to be poverty stricken because "thats how they were raised" or they CHOOSE not to get educated.
Panhandlers making $40k/yr

We offer plenty of avenues for people bring themselves from poverty, and there are people that choose to stay in poverty to collect their benefits that I get to pay, rather than taking the opportunity to become a helpful member of society.

Back to these programs being selective and not obligatory...
There are plenty of non-profits that help the needy. The nice thing about those programs is they create private sector jobs (generate tax revenue) and regulate their systems very well.
If we let these organizations handle these welfare systems, they would regulate who receives what (the deserving needy), and thus we would need minimal regulation to monitor their organization creating less tax expenditure.

Lets face facts....most people that talk about us needing these programs to help the needy, would not voluntarily put money towards a program that they are not required to do so.

Plain and simple.
Only the people that are in poverty that are trying to get out of poverty by [getting an education, a job, responsible spending] should receive any support, where as those that do NOTHING to help themselves get NOTHING.
Something we fail at in this country.
Why should I help you if your not willing to help yourself?
 
I have no data to back it up, since it has never really occurred, but I think you would find that the United States would still lead the world in quality of living even without our social programs. When you look at countries like Cuba or Russia, they too have social programs, but they are incredibly inferior due to a poor GDP. What this means is that a high GDP allows for more investment by the private sector, be it via taxation (status quo,) trickle down, or charitable contributions. There is no doubt that we are the most charitable country on the planet.
 
the United States would still lead the world in quality of living even without our social programs. When you look at countries like Cuba or Russia, they too have social programs, but they are incredibly inferior due to a poor GDP.

Not arguing that at all. Simply due to infrastructure and the fact that we havent had to reinvest in our infrastructure due to war on the homefront, and considering the climate that we live in. Apples to oranges really.
 
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Communism is HARDLY superior...it is nothing more than a FAILED idiology that
has ZERO chance of success. Socialism falls into the same catagory...

Failure hardly equates to...Superior ???

Yeah I understand the "theory" but your wasting time exhorting and debating
it's virtues, you might as well grab the latest sports illistrated swimsuit edition
and head off to the bathroom...you'll accomplish just as much.
 
Hey what happened to the youtube Icon....???



I thought she was awesome and hit the nail right on the head...

- Obama Supporter To Obama: "I'm Exhausted Of Defending You"[/url]

Awesome :thumbsup:
 
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Communism is HARDLY superior...it is nothing more than a FAILED idiology that
has ZERO chance of success. Socialism falls into the same catagory...

Failure hardly equates to...Superior ???

Yeah I understand the "theory" but your wasting time exhorting and debating
it's virtues, you might as well grab the latest sports illistrated swimsuit edition
and head off to the bathroom...you'll accomplish just as much.

- "Hardball" Way Too Hard for Obama Supporter Kirk Watson[/url]
 
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This one has the response
- TownHall Questioner To Obama: 'I'm Exhausted Of Defending You' -PLUS Obama's Response[/url]
 
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Communism is HARDLY superior...it is nothing more than a FAILED idiology that
has ZERO chance of success. Socialism falls into the same catagory...

Failure hardly equates to...Superior ???

Yeah I understand the "theory" but your wasting time exhorting and debating
it's virtues, you might as well grab the latest sports illistrated swimsuit edition
and head off to the bathroom...you'll accomplish just as much.

The point is that it is a good THEORY that can never be implemented and should never be implemented because you can never eliminate the human element...much like socialism...Should never be implemented...

Its about understanding why a concept that looks good on paper, should never be implemented. Obama's concept of a socialized America that looks good on paper, should never be implemented...

Its about conclusions, understanding.
 
Practical sys never developed.:laugh:

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