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i'm thinking of purchasing a 2004 hayabusa, i was thinking about a zx-12r, but the hayabusa is better and cheaperwhat's to loose?..
anyways my concern is it's my first bike, i realize it might be a bit much for me, but i know once i get a bike i'm going to absouletly love it and want more, so i figure why not start out at the top and save myself some time and money. i dont plan on fully unleashing this beast until I am completely comfortable with it, and i plan to take any motorcycle classes I can to increase my knowledge.
basically what im looking for.. would anyone completely disagree with me getting this bike as my first bike?
What's to lose......are you crazy, nothing at all, it's if you bought a 12 that you'd be losing.......the Busa is one awesome machine, and I'm not biased at all... nope not me.. not whatsoever.
As a first bike though........be very careful......have great respect for it, and take a course.......personally I'd start on something smaller.
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Dylix, you're probably not going to want to hear this, but the almighty BUSA is not a good first bike. (or the zx-12 for that matter) I've had a few small bikes (750's) and some bigger ones(900& 1100), and let me tell you that you want to start off slow. It's alot easier to recover on a smaller machine. Things happen fast on these bikes and on a BUSA it's easy to find yourself going triple digit speeds before you know it. I don,t want to preach to you, but if you see some of the crash photos on this site, they are pretty bad. And most of those guys have ton of seat time. Remember it's better to ride a slow bike fast, than to ride a fast bike slow.
yah ok, i'll listen to a crackhead :tounge: lol
but i think it all boils down to knowing your limits. i know i can not defeat gravity
but i'll give it a run for its money
i don't plan to even start up my bike w/o a helmet, gloves, and a jacket..
i may be young, but i'm not stupid. (one of the few).
i'm not getting this bike because its the "fastest" street bike, but its reassuring if i ever need it, its there for me.
Dude,
If you have to go with a supersport bike then the 'busa is it. Of course if you ask the same question on a zx12 site they'll tell you the exact opposite. That part of your descision comes down to personal preferance and you're the only one that can make it.
Man I'm not going to lecture you...ok, maybe a little...but; In my opinion the 'busa is about the worst possible choice for a beginner rider. It's heavy(compared to other sport bikes). It has a high center of gravity, at least compared to cruisers. It's expensive to fix if you tip it over. And believe me; if this is your first bike you WILL tip it over at least once. And, most importantly, it is wicked fast! This thing seems to take longer to stop than it does to get it up to speed in the first place. It would be like handing a kid the keys to a McLaren F1 or a Diablo the day he got his license. Would he have fun? Hell yes! He would be the envy of all his friends, every guy he passed on the street, and me for that matter. It would probably even get him laid.
But is it a good idea? Most adults, and maybe even you would agree that it's not. Odds are that he would get hurt or killed or at least have a couple of minor wrecks that cost big $ to fix.
If your not just yankin' our collective chain and you have the $ to buy the 'busa why not buy a cheap ($2k-$3k) bike to learn on? Maybe an FZR600, or a CBR600, or a ZX6? All will out accelerate a mustang 5.0 or the like. All will do 140mph+. When your done playin' and you feel like you're ready for the big bike, sell the little bike and buy your 'busa or zx12. I promise you you'll be a better rider for it and it will probably save you some $ and maybe even you life.
Oops..guess I gave you a lecture after all.
Sorry. I hope you do get a busa. I just hope that you spend at least a few months on something smaller first.
Just my $.02
If you have to go with a supersport bike then the 'busa is it. Of course if you ask the same question on a zx12 site they'll tell you the exact opposite. That part of your descision comes down to personal preferance and you're the only one that can make it.
Man I'm not going to lecture you...ok, maybe a little...but; In my opinion the 'busa is about the worst possible choice for a beginner rider. It's heavy(compared to other sport bikes). It has a high center of gravity, at least compared to cruisers. It's expensive to fix if you tip it over. And believe me; if this is your first bike you WILL tip it over at least once. And, most importantly, it is wicked fast! This thing seems to take longer to stop than it does to get it up to speed in the first place. It would be like handing a kid the keys to a McLaren F1 or a Diablo the day he got his license. Would he have fun? Hell yes! He would be the envy of all his friends, every guy he passed on the street, and me for that matter. It would probably even get him laid.
But is it a good idea? Most adults, and maybe even you would agree that it's not. Odds are that he would get hurt or killed or at least have a couple of minor wrecks that cost big $ to fix.If your not just yankin' our collective chain and you have the $ to buy the 'busa why not buy a cheap ($2k-$3k) bike to learn on? Maybe an FZR600, or a CBR600, or a ZX6? All will out accelerate a mustang 5.0 or the like. All will do 140mph+. When your done playin' and you feel like you're ready for the big bike, sell the little bike and buy your 'busa or zx12. I promise you you'll be a better rider for it and it will probably save you some $ and maybe even you life.
Oops..guess I gave you a lecture after all.
Sorry. I hope you do get a busa. I just hope that you spend at least a few months on something smaller first.Just my $.02
No, the Busa is not a good first bike at all. Jet fighter pilots know the concepts of flying a jet long before ever doing so, but they still start in a single engine Cessna. Statistically, you will make my insurance go higher so I am against it. I recommend the class, and at LEAST one solid year of riding experience before going 'liter bike'. It boils down to your limits, but if this is your FIRST bike, you have absolutely no clue what "limits" are. Busa is not a limit finder, it's a limit remover. Bad 'first' bike. My $.03 worth
Good luck with your choice. If you get one you will enjoy it like nothing else on this planet.
Good luck with your choice. If you get one you will enjoy it like nothing else on this planet.
since i keep getting reference to jet pilots.. comparing a cessna to a f/a 18.. would be like comparing a hayabusa to a bicycle.. so in that respect, yes i have experience =)
i have money to make payments on a hayabusa and the insurance, but i certainly dont have the cash to up and buy a 2-3g bike. and i KNOW once i get a 600 and get comfortable with it, i will just want to go up and up.
but im not going to start a debate on this thread, its already been done several times and i've read the posts. so i know what the majority of you all are going to say.
i have money to make payments on a hayabusa and the insurance, but i certainly dont have the cash to up and buy a 2-3g bike. and i KNOW once i get a 600 and get comfortable with it, i will just want to go up and up.
but im not going to start a debate on this thread, its already been done several times and i've read the posts. so i know what the majority of you all are going to say.
is this the best idea? probably not for the kid. but who's to say the second he gets that f1 he's going to slam the pedal to the floor. maybe the kid would be too intimidated by it to fully see what the car can do until he's comfortable. every single person is different. there are no set rules to what someone can and can not do. you dont know this kid or how he would handle himself.It would be like handing a kid the keys to a McLaren F1 or a Diablo the day he got his license. Would he have fun? Hell yes! He would be the envy of all his friends, every guy he passed on the street, and me for that matter. It would probably even get him laid.
my first car was a eclipse, and for the longest time i always shifted below 3k rpms because i thought it was hella scary otherwise. later on, i got a turbo awd turbo talon (same as eclipse) and had a fun time at the track. does the support the start slow theory? possibly. but i wish i would of started with the turbo awd to begin with, because i would not of pushed the limits regardless.
well its equally divided. 50% are for it, 50% are against it..if you're looking for advice, we're giving it to you strait. there must be a reason we are all saying the same thing, but we can only SHOW you the door... it's up to you to go thru it
maybe i'll flip a coin
dylix,
You said you didn't want to start a debate, so don't. You're right; none of us can say that this hypothetical kid that I just invented would smash down the accelerator the second he gets his f1 but if you can't see/admit why it might not statistically be the best idea then I have nothing else to say to you. The insurance companies charge <25 single males higher rates for a reason. Maybe you're the exception. I doubt it, but maybe. Are you telling me that when you pull up next to some dude in a fast car at a light, or better yet a zx9 or a gsxr1000 (and believe me this is a regular occurance) that you won't twist that throttle? Do you know how to handle it when the front tire of your 500lb 'busa comes up over your head? How about when you're on the throttle and hit an oil slick or some sand and your back tire swings out to the side? Are you going ease off the gas and ride it out. Chances are you're going to hit the brakes, swing side to side and wreck. It's nothing against you. Like I said, maybe you're the exception. If you are so mature in other areas of your life that the 'busa won't be a problem for you then you certainly will understand why we would caution you or any other new rider that wants a 'busa as a first bike.
If you end up getting a 'busa I sincerely wish you the best of luck. But it will be just that; luck. Look at all the posts from people that wrecked thier bikes this summer. Think you're more skilled? When something goes wrong, and it will, your odds will be much improved on a bike that more closely matches your skills.
You said you didn't want to start a debate, so don't. You're right; none of us can say that this hypothetical kid that I just invented would smash down the accelerator the second he gets his f1 but if you can't see/admit why it might not statistically be the best idea then I have nothing else to say to you. The insurance companies charge <25 single males higher rates for a reason. Maybe you're the exception. I doubt it, but maybe. Are you telling me that when you pull up next to some dude in a fast car at a light, or better yet a zx9 or a gsxr1000 (and believe me this is a regular occurance) that you won't twist that throttle? Do you know how to handle it when the front tire of your 500lb 'busa comes up over your head? How about when you're on the throttle and hit an oil slick or some sand and your back tire swings out to the side? Are you going ease off the gas and ride it out. Chances are you're going to hit the brakes, swing side to side and wreck. It's nothing against you. Like I said, maybe you're the exception. If you are so mature in other areas of your life that the 'busa won't be a problem for you then you certainly will understand why we would caution you or any other new rider that wants a 'busa as a first bike.
If you end up getting a 'busa I sincerely wish you the best of luck. But it will be just that; luck. Look at all the posts from people that wrecked thier bikes this summer. Think you're more skilled? When something goes wrong, and it will, your odds will be much improved on a bike that more closely matches your skills.
in the faqs.
but about the statistics, yes i agree, and im not trying to say im invincible, but i do have self control. and i do plan on taking the advanced motorcycle driving class that is offered in my area to better understand the ways of motorcycles.
but to be honest, i think if i get a 600 or comparable, i will undermind it, thinking ah man this is just a bullshit bike and perhaps then i would do stupid poop. but i know that if i got a hayabusa for the first 6 months, probably more, i would be intimidated, and yes i'm sure it would be a challenge. but its a challenge i'm willing to accept.
i have taken all the comments about this subject to heart, i have looked @ crashes, and thought of the options. but to me personally, i think it would be a waste of money on my behalf to purchase a 600/900 bike only to turn around in 6 months and buy a bigger one. is this the right course for everyone? probably not by any means. but for myself, i believe it is the correct thing to do.
Well, you seem pretty level-headed and you seem to have made your decision. I wish you well. I had to try. :blush:
The busa really is a gentle giant at low speeds. It will do what you tell it. Just take your time and get used to it. Seems like they don't depreciate as bad as some other bikes so a new one is not a bad way to go. Plus if you follow the break-in schedule (<5k rpms for 500 miles, etc) it will help break you in as well.
The busa really is a gentle giant at low speeds. It will do what you tell it. Just take your time and get used to it. Seems like they don't depreciate as bad as some other bikes so a new one is not a bad way to go. Plus if you follow the break-in schedule (<5k rpms for 500 miles, etc) it will help break you in as well.
well thanks i suppose
but i have no desire to rush into high rpms or high speeds. i would hate to total a $11,000 beast =)
Yer full of shid if you think that you'll respect the busa for 6 months. I thought the same thing. Truth is I'm already spankin' 'er on occasion and could easily get in over my head. Not my first bike, but my first sport bike.
I thought havin' the busa would intimidate me into creepin' around for much longer than it did... I was wrong. I think you are wrong, too.
Still, the busa will only go as fast as you tell it to with yer right hand. Don't matter if yer on a 250cc Ninja or a stroked 1600+ cc busa, if you ain't got the sense to control yer right hand you don't have a snowball's chance in Hell.
I think if you're countin' on the mighty busa's intimidation factor to keep you in check yer headed in the wrong direction. Check out some of the posts by busa riders who think their busa has slowed down after a few months... You get used to the power and it doesn't intimidate long enough for you to learn control and common bike sense. I would be in BIG trouble if I didn't have what little experience I had on non-sport bikes prior to gettin' the busa.
I thought havin' the busa would intimidate me into creepin' around for much longer than it did... I was wrong. I think you are wrong, too.
Still, the busa will only go as fast as you tell it to with yer right hand. Don't matter if yer on a 250cc Ninja or a stroked 1600+ cc busa, if you ain't got the sense to control yer right hand you don't have a snowball's chance in Hell.
I think if you're countin' on the mighty busa's intimidation factor to keep you in check yer headed in the wrong direction. Check out some of the posts by busa riders who think their busa has slowed down after a few months... You get used to the power and it doesn't intimidate long enough for you to learn control and common bike sense. I would be in BIG trouble if I didn't have what little experience I had on non-sport bikes prior to gettin' the busa.
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ok, now if you're set on buyin this bike none of us can stop you, but here's one for ya...
My little bro bought his first bike this year a 2003 R6, never been on a thing b4, he has had the same opinions and concerns that I have read you expressing. He has been riding with me all year and has not dumped it yet, he knows that my bike is too much for him, I let him try it after 3 months. personnally I'd go w/a smaller bike as I told him to do, he didn't listen....maybe you will but if not, I hope to not hear you're scraped up man...
My little bro bought his first bike this year a 2003 R6, never been on a thing b4, he has had the same opinions and concerns that I have read you expressing. He has been riding with me all year and has not dumped it yet, he knows that my bike is too much for him, I let him try it after 3 months. personnally I'd go w/a smaller bike as I told him to do, he didn't listen....maybe you will but if not, I hope to not hear you're scraped up man...
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