lol, I can't argue that, I don't have 33 years of life on me.
How will she be bored? She has never ridden a street bike. The whole thing will be new to her. Let her develop skills first. You are looking at this from a first person point of view. That is dangerous![/Quote]
Not really sure I am looking at it from a first person point of view. I didn't say that she should have a Busa as a first bike, but with a mature and open viewpoint I think it
can be a fine first bike.
Again, your first person here. Do you still ride like a squid? No harm meant, just asking the question since you state that is how you started out riding. Don't take that the wrong way. And regarding "pilot error" and "fear", they are most commonly found in brand new riders. This lady is brand new to the street. She hasn't even taken the MSF yet! Have you riden a GSXR 600? I have and that bike wil haul ass! An average rider on a GSXR 600 would be difficult for a good rider on a Busa to keep up with in the twisties. Very flickable bike![/Quote]
No harm taken. Again, I understand that logic would disctate that most "new riders" would carry those two items. But riding experience in itself (which I will note in a moment) does count for something. Along with cage experience (which I will note as well). And yes, I have ridden the GSXR 600, GSXR 1000, R1, R6, ZX-6R, my Hayabusa, a Bandit 1200 (which I sold), a Road Star, a chopper VStar 1100, my VTX 1800, a Suzuki Intruder 1400 and then an Intruder 1500, a Yamaha Venture, a Volusa 800, a Yamaha Warrior, and I learned (before I took the course) on an Enduro (I think it was a 750 but I don't know) out in the dirt. And last week a friend loaned me his CBR600RR which was a great bike as well. I am somewhat of a bike whore.
So let me get this straight, someone with NO street experience will understand the principles of riding on the street?[/Quote]
No, but clearly I didn't clarify my statement properly. Here is how I see it from my point to clarify:
0. No experience, cage or car
1. Road experience, cage only. Basically, wothless but understanding the rules of the road is worth something.
2. Dirt Experience. Good motorcycle experience, the mechanics of some items (like forward foot turning/pivoting) is different, but the basics of knees on the tank, leaning turns, balance, and familiarity are of value.
3. Dirt + Cage. Some riding experience, plus knowing your road rules is of enough value that I would feel comfortable letting someone on a bike at this point...
4. MSF Course. Probably close to the one below, but I would value it higher because it's road specific and also teaches you a different way to look at the road (making you more cognizent of things like timing, braking, and planning ahead)
5. Riding experience. Depending on the rider, this could be an agressive curve or a smooth safe one. But to answer your question there is nothing more valuable than riding experience.
Have you ever riden in the dirt? I started at 11 in the dirt and at 16 when I moved to the street, it was a whole new way of riding. You didn't slide through a corner with your legg extended forwards on the street. Your saying that driving a car gives one the road experience for a bike? If a Hayabusa is not too much bike, what is? If she has never ridden on the street, how does she know her limits? [/Quote]
I have ridden in the dirt a little. Not a lot though. But really I was pointing out that the familiarity of a motorcycle adds a value added experience. I am not really arging that the Busa should be a starter for all bikes, but I also feel that not outgrowing your bike is a part of the purchase and experience. Finally, in regards to limits, maturity is key above all else except basic riding skill. If she can't limit herself then she will die as quickly on a 250 Ninja as she would on a Busa.
I agree with the "right rider" part. But someone with zero street experience is not the "right rider". If you believe that to be wrong, what bike is off limits to a beginner rider? A Busa is something that you should work your way up to, not start out with. That is like telling a first time snow skier that a double black diamond slope is fine if you take it nice and slow.[/Quote]
Ironic that you put it that way. But using the analogy given I will make my argument. A double black diamond is different from a Busa in the way it allows the rider to approach it. Smooth throttle is different than attacking a mogul filled treeline, because you can't alter the black diamond. The basics of riding will allow you to control any motorcycle (and I think this is the basis of my whole perspective), but the basics of skiing will not allow you to tackle a double diamond because skiing basics have to be developed to include mogul attack, speed, and space control. A motorcycle is ridden based on the riders application of throttle, clutch, brake, and angle control, that never changed. So in response, I think that no bike should be off limits to a biginning rider as long as they can apply these basics, which the MSF teaches well. The same people who drop their lame ass 250 Rebels in the MSF course are the same people who will drop their bikes later.
As a comment to that...is it wise? No. But if the large bike option is selected, I think that a more tempered personality is required. I don't believe it works across the board, but I think we agree that a specific type of personality will fare better than another. You have to ride to your skill and style.
I follow you, that you are not being negative and defending the bike here. I appreciate you not flaming back!
Hope to hear if you have any new responses for me.
Regards,
Neko
She is a black/grey type person.
