More "Transparency" in Govt

[skydivr]

... I can't say that we have had a "good" president since before Vietnam...nor can I say I would "trust" any president within the past 80 years.... now I know some of you will throw the age card on me...{grins} and no I'm not in my 90's...but I've read carefully and tried to keep up with where our country has gone in past years... and its that past that makes me worry for our future. Our loss of freedom has not just been infringed on with this president...but it has been slowly insidiously clipped away for many many decades for lots of carefully constructed reasons that we have all swallowed because many reasons in their individuality did not seem like such an insult to our way of life, but combined into the culmination of today and added to the insult of how we are treated by our own chosen elected REPRESENATIVES ... suddenly we feel the pinch of the collar...
Sadly we allowed it, and even more sad is that it is now already there, in place, and removing it will be more difficult. Sad is the country that begins on freedom and falls into control...and so unlike the country that rises from its roots of socialism...
I said before I love my Country...and I do. I'll willingly fight and die to make a point that this country and its flag represent freedom...but...I feel shame and embarrassment for my once unique and respected country. We were NOT like other countries, we were looked upon with a mixture of curiosity, respect, and often dislike by the countries that sought to see us fall. Now we are the wounded country, circled and watched by the world, in part to see if we will rally...and in part to see if we will fall and can be picked over like so many bones. This president didn't do it single-handedly...and no political party is blameless...but none of that matters when you are in a struggle for your freedom. What happened to the unified America?... the one that could come together in times that tested us as a nation? Did our finest fight and die to leave a country of weakness behind? Sometimes I wonder...

Well said! :beer:

 

[Dino]

You gotta stop and remember that "dino" resorts to the name calling and "his great superiority" (cause he said so) when cornered...

Has been shown enough times and best just to ignore him... The little guy works in a cubicle at some govt job of likely questionable worth.. (after all, look at the hours of his posts... he is either playing while on the job or only works about 2 hours a day, be curious what the policy is about this)..

Anyway it is easy to brush off this little slight of hand until some guy accuses you of something that is not true..

Say Dino is spying for the Russians and Chinese at the same time..(bet you did not know that, but it is out there)

Now they walk into your home, pull your computer and find what "they" consider to be damning material..

no search warrant, no anything but a guess.... (what they were really doing is just poking around)..

The FBI can not operate like this all the time, (but they do on occasion) but if they get a real cozy relationship with say "interpol", interpol uses a few of their "immunity brownie" points and just "collects" the stuff wanted by their buddies at the Fed...

yep, sky is falling alright.. "You think the FBI is going to allow this?" they could not stop a number of coordinated attacks by terrorists, you think they can stop a few "agency" pros? now that is some funny stuff...

If you need more information on this type of stuff , research the FISA act that Obama and the liberal left was so so so upset about... guess who is pushing for it... nothing like a great idea (you know they thought of it first)..

What really appears to be going on is a series of "trap doors" for escape if someone in the govt is caught outright intruding into your home or life without cause (or warrant).. FISA act, Interpol immunity, FBI *cause they can or any of the agencies being granted some type of "immune" status to the law... one grain of rice at a time...

So says the king of commenting on things he knows nothing about.

 

[Tufbusa]

You sure you did not mean to post this in the thread about fecal matter in the soda fountains?

you do not know anything about the FBI.

Did everyone eat retardios for breakfast?
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Why don't you take a second and educate yourself (at least a little) about diplomatic immunity before making a comment on it.

If you cared you would take a second to know what you are talking about, but beware education is a dangerous thing it might open your mind.

When you don't understand it is no shock that "Something doesn't sit right"

Can you provide ANY substance to this statement?

I think you are giving way too much credit to the level of understanding of this topic. SPIN implies that you know what you are talking about in order to spin in. I am not seeing that.

When you try to spin crap all you get is crap. Sorta like trying to argue with stupid.

I understand Dino's need to elevate his intellect above and beyond the rest of us but the arrogance in his delivery is disturbing!

 

[Mr Bogus]

careful, he will have your post removed...
they are like that you know...

 

[VaBusa]

Did anyone ever point out just how childish men can be at times?!

Oh, allow me then...

I'm going to get all of you guys a room...

 

[SANDFLEA85]

does anyone else like cheerios on chocolate ice cream or is it just me.

Im sorry,where were we, oh yeah

 

[VaBusa]

*crickets* It worked!!!! Woo hoo!!!!

 

[Mr Bogus]

*crickets* It worked!!!! Woo hoo!!!!

careful you will end up on a "list" too...

 

[afterhours]

please someone....tell me of the rights you have lost in the last 50 years.

I still own my guns.
I still protest my gov.
I still am in search of my happiness

and nobody is searching home.

you talk of things that do not exhist, and make up stories to explain your paranoid fears.

it has been 25 years and nobody can tell me how this presidential order has effected them in any way. nobody even knew it exhisted a month ago, and now today it is eroding our civil liberties....nothing has changed, except that you know about it now.

 

[VaBusa]

careful you will end up on a "list" too...

I'm on some lists, does that count?!

You know I love you all, but I have to pick sometimes...it's sort of my job

 

[Mr Bogus]

please someone....tell me of the rights you have lost in the last 50 years.

I still own my guns.
I still protest my gov.
I still am in search of my happiness

and nobody is searching home.

you talk of things that do not exhist, and make up stories to explain your paranoid fears.

it has been 25 years and nobody can tell me how this presidential order has effected them in any way. nobody even knew it exhisted a month ago, and now today it is eroding our civil liberties....nothing has changed, except that you know about it now.

that is not at all true (nothing has changed), some very large change has occured

if you want to look at what was done specifically a ":" (colon) was removed from the order..

This removed the restrictions of section 2(c) which were "specifically" excluded in the original order...

You really need to dig in and read the implications of this "change" it is easy to be a "Obama FanBoy" but even the left is looking at this change and wondering WTF.... (Democratic Underground has some links out)

Nationa Review's Andy McCarthy also has some stuff out..

The bottom line is it is easy to overlook all the "minor" encroachments on your privacy and ability to assure due process.. When added together, you get what has happened here.. An international "Police" organization with "unlimited" rights and privacy on our land...

If that is ok with you that is your prerogative.. but what are you going to do when their views no longer mirror yours?

Running around stammering "how stupid you are" or " are you retarded" does no good for anyone.. What you need to do is look at the issue, figure out the "end" game and then evaluate whether you are happy with it or not..

Again, even outside the normal political rhetoric, this move has some very large implications. You realize that this just elevated their activities above reproach even from the congress, senate effectively doing what no one has ever been able to do.. Operate a "police" organization with no peer review ..

Will they abuse this power? no way, no one ever abuses "power"

 

[Mr Brown]

If this bothers you so much Bogus, why did you not scream bloody murder when eminent domain was expanded to include private enterprise? Which do you think is more likely, that Interpol are gonna kick your door in, or WalMart and gonna want to put a supercenter on your house?

 

[Dino]

that is not at all true (nothing has changed), some very large change has occured

if you want to look at what was done specifically a ":" (colon) was removed from the order..

This removed the restrictions of section 2(c) which were "specifically" excluded in the original order...

You really need to dig in and read the implications of this "change" it is easy to be a "Obama FanBoy" but even the left is looking at this change and wondering WTF.... (Democratic Underground has some links out)

Nationa Review's Andy McCarthy also has some stuff out..

The bottom line is it is easy to overlook all the "minor" encroachments on your privacy and ability to assure due process.. When added together, you get what has happened here.. An international "Police" organization with "unlimited" rights and privacy on our land...

If that is ok with you that is your prerogative.. but what are you going to do when their views no longer mirror yours?

Running around stammering "how stupid you are" or " are you retarded" does no good for anyone.. What you need to do is look at the issue, figure out the "end" game and then evaluate whether you are happy with it or not..

Again, even outside the normal political rhetoric, this move has some very large implications. You realize that this just elevated their activities above reproach even from the congress, senate effectively doing what no one has ever been able to do.. Operate a "police" organization with no peer review ..

Will they abuse this power? no way, no one ever abuses "power"

Bogus makes a good point when he says you have to dig into it, the problem is that if you really don't understand what you are digging into the how can you possibly understand a particular issue. If you don't really know anything about international organizations or diplomatic missions then your understanding of what the change in the E.O. really means is limited from the begining.

A crude attempt at a comparison might be getting upset because someone says you can no longer use tap water in your cooling system, so you dig into the what if's and the why's without realizing you don't use tap water anyhow.

 

[HT_USMC]

When you don't understand it is no shock that "Something doesn't sit right"

Ya know, Dino... you've offered absolutely nothing to the conversation other than your snide and belittling remarks. You've given no information that supports your position or opinion.

When I say I don't understand, it simply means that I don't understand. Yes, a lack of understanding makes one uneasy and things not to sit right. That's why I'm posting to others who can manage to discuss what this means versus the garbage you're spewing.

If you are so enlightened, a wise person would share that enlightenment with his fellow man. You, however, dance around the issue and don't show your hand at all. You disguised yourself as a know-it-all in an attempt to appear intellectual.

Sadly, you're just Captain Obvious in most cases. You just come off looking like an . Worse yet it seems like you actually want to stir the pot and get under everyone's skin. I'm not ruffled by you but rather I hope this post helps you to think about what you're typing about (and how you're going about it) versus just watching your post count.

It's folks like you that have made the .Org a little less friendly over the last few years. I think I'm actually going to use the ignore feature finally. Congrats

Have a nice day

 

[Dino]

Ya know, Dino... you've offered absolutely nothing to the conversation other than your snide and belittling remarks. You've given no information that supports your position or opinion.

When I say I don't understand, it simply means that I don't understand. Yes, a lack of understanding makes one uneasy and things not to sit right. That's why I'm posting to others who can manage to discuss what this means versus the garbage you're spewing.

If you are so enlightened, a wise person would share that enlightenment with his fellow man. You, however, dance around the issue and don't show your hand at all. You disguised yourself as a know-it-all in an attempt to appear intellectual.

Sadly, you're just Captain Obvious in most cases. You just come off looking like an . Worse yet it seems like you actually want to stir the pot and get under everyone's skin. I'm not ruffled by you but rather I hope this post helps you to think about what you're typing about (and how you're going about it) versus just watching your post count.

It's folks like you that have made the .Org a little less friendly over the last few years. I think I'm actually going to use the ignore feature finally. Congrats

Have a nice day

the simple fact that you see the ignore button as an option is an indicator that enlightenment in unlikely. Frankly I don't have time explain or go into my time with international organizations. If you want to get smarter i can suggegt some reading material. By the same token I do not question or comment to Tufbusa about his racing posts. I am in learning mode in that area not opinion mode. I know the limits of my knowledge in that area.

 

[Projekt]

 

[J'Man]

Bogus makes a good point when he says you have to dig into it, the problem is that if you really don't understand what you are digging into the how can you possibly understand a particular issue. If you don't really know anything about international organizations or diplomatic missions then your understanding of what the change in the E.O. really means is limited from the begining.

A crude attempt at a comparison might be getting upset because someone says you can no longer use tap water in your cooling system, so you dig into the what if's and the why's without realizing you don't use tap water anyhow.

Steph, that's making the assumption that you understand, which I don't believe you do. Maybe while you're telling everyone to educate themselves you should break out a history book and get educated yourself. History tends to repeat itself. Why don't you ask the jews if they were just being paranoid? I'm sure there was people just like you saying "everything's fine, you guys are just paranoid". You may be shocked one day to realize that you don't know as much you think you do. Everyone has a bias, keep that in mind when you copy and paste your replies from google. Try practicing what you preach "open your mind", you may be surprised at where you end up.

 

[chrisjp]

ok im lost...mabey i should stay there

 

[Projekt]

please someone....tell me of the rights you have lost in the last 50 years.

I still own my guns.
I still protest my gov.
I still am in search of my happiness

and nobody is searching home.

you talk of things that do not exhist, and make up stories to explain your paranoid fears.

it has been 25 years and nobody can tell me how this presidential order has effected them in any way. nobody even knew it exhisted a month ago, and now today it is eroding our civil liberties....nothing has changed, except that you know about it now.

It's all the silent black helicopters and secret police rapelling in that makes it so hard to prove. I'm serious... It's just that nobody wants to talk about it..

 

[Rauzer]

This is funny. How about this... Lets say the real reason he was elected... because he's black. How's that sit? Do you honestly think that if the ticket was Clinton and Biden there would have been the record turn out to vote in all these cities? Really?? I'm sure that all the voters in Baltimore City would have just thought, we've had enough!! Some would have voted for the Hillary kool-aid, but no where near the numbers. Deep down you know that, you dont have to say it here. Yea it's beating a dead horse, but these threads are silly anyway so why not...

Say what you want, I dont care if he's purple (kinda like his lips), it's not him making most of the decisions, it's congress. Term limits are the answer. Flame away...