More R&D from Frank

Maybe Suzuki threw a handful of these larger cams into the '99 Busas as a test for long term results. Possibly with the intent to use them in the '00 models?? And speaking of '00 models, does anyone know if these larger cams are in them?
 
DanaT, I haven't tried yet to find out why there are different Cam's.

This is something that has been found out from R&D.

I don't think there is an answer for your question. "Yet?"

If I remember right Brock Davidson had a different view from His experiences.
 
Omega,
I really have no idea, but I can tell you this: Any aftermarket company that deals directly with a particular manufacturer (Yoshimura, Muzzy, Erion, Feracci etc.)has information/developement assistance that NO ONE else has, for that brand.

The Japanese, in particular, are VERY specific as to who recieves info.(The sections of my 1999 drag race agreement with American Suzuki that relate to divulging sensitive information are valid....FOR LIFE!)

What this means to you is that it is very hard to go wrong with these companys.

You generally recieve a product that works very well for the application which it was designed.

For special applications you should find a racer that does well in the area you are interested in and ask what they do or who they work with.(For instance, I use Yoshimura road race products for drag racing and severe street applications because they were designed for longivity. Some drag race products were designed for short term use.)

Most of these companys do have products for other brands(Yosh pipes for blackbirds, Muzzy pipes for hayabusa etc) these normally boil down to personal preference or experience, test results,etc.

Other products; ignition boxes,cams,jet kits,mapping systems,etc. are usually derived from racing or developed in Japan with assistance from the factory. These products are second to none for nearly all street applications!

BIG HP or non-typical applications require aftermarket cures: Dynojet PC2,Sudco, WEB, APE, SCHNITZ, Orient Express,etc.

I know your question did not get answered directly...but I hope you feel better about your decision.

Brock
 
Bob, Great research and even better to Post it!

I don't want to take away from what your asking Brock, So I wont..

But I'd like to say this...

I've been trying to tell everyone all along that there is ALOT more room for Hp in the Busa motor.

And the Cool thing is...

It's just the begining! We haven't even had this Bike around for a Year Yet.

More people in the Industry are going to get involved with the Busa this Year. I know this from My contacts and even Brock will tell you from his own business.

Look for the Hayabusa to get alot of Attention from everywhere this year...

Ps..I would reccomend the Web #536577 for stock bore.(this cam & your other mod's should make you real happy)
The Web #483536 for applications like Mine.

...Frank
 
Bob,
Another trend I have noticed in the sportbike world is leaving some "cushion" to quickly increase performance if needed.

Once a new machine is released, the engineers usually begin a new project that is typically very different from the previous model....evolution!

I have noticed Suzuki to be on about a 3-4 year cycle, example: GSXR 1100, 1986,89,93

If a bike needs a performance boost, it is easy to change the cams,valves, carb size etc. until the new KILLER is released.

One other thing to remember is that the engines of today are engineered so well that they don't have MUCH cushion.

The cams in your busa are in place because they are PERFECT for the design criteria...
Animals at the controls, idling in trafic for hours who relieve this tension with a 190MPH+ blast down an isolated stretch of pavement!

If you don't have to pass emissions and use your head when you ride, the proper changes to the machine can yeild VERY favorable results.


This is only MY observation!
Brock
 
Thanks for the reply Brock, based on your answer I think I'll stand pat. Aside from HRC, I doubt I'll surpass erion racing when were talking hondas. Thanks again.
 
I made made the call to Web Cams and learned the following:

Two cams available from Web, 1 from Yosh:
STOCK CAM SPECS
Intake lift--.345" L.C. 106 degrees
Exhaust lift .294" L.C. 99.5 degrees
Intake duarations-----EXH.durations STOCK
282 @ .010"----------268 @ .010"
240 @ .040"----------220 @ .040"
234 @ .050"----------214 @ .050"
Web Cams part # 536/577
Intake lift .378" rec. L.C. 112 degrees
Exhaust lift .330 rec, L.C. 109 degrees
286 @ .010"-------EX-274 @ .010"
250 @ .040"----------234 @ .040"
244 @ .050"----------226 @ .050"
Web Cams part # 483/536
Intake lift .395" rec. L.C. 106 degrees
Exhaust lift same intake cam above .378"
rec. L.C. 108 degrees
283 @ .010"-------Ex-286 @ .010"
250 @ .040"----------250 @ .040"
242 @ .050"----------244 @ .050"
Yosh stg 1 cam
Intake lift .354 rec. L.C. 102
Exhaust lift .307 rec, L.C. 105
only have 1mm durations for now-1mm=.03931"
244 @ .03931"-----Ex-230 @ .03931"

Comparison at (.040") for all:
Cam---Intake--lift----exh.--lift----LC's
Stock--240----.345"---220----.294" 106/99.5
Yosh---244*---.354"---230*---.307" 102/105
536577-250----.378"---234----.330" 112/109
483536-283----.395"---250----.378" 106/108
* specs at 1mm or .03931" lift not .040"
I will receive a fax showing valve opening and closing points as well.
The Yosh and Web 536/577 seem like a nice jump up for a stock piston motor with a pipe (maybe 175-185 hp?).
Web mentioned a couple of customers have reported 200-205 rwhp using the 483/536, but they were overbored. No feed back yet on a stock bore motor, but they expect to hear soon.

You would think the Yosh has some inside assistance from Suzuki, but maybe not. I will wait to hear HP gains from the above for stock.
Stock cam seems really tame on the exhaust side. both lift and duration.

Brock--Is this typical for stock motorcycles. It is the opposite of cars. Cars must have more limitations in the head/exhaust system, because you almost always see exhaust lifts/ durations higher than the intake. But, I guess this would be a function of the head/intake/exhaust design and Bikes are very different, da.
Did Suzuki leave some room here to gain power? Looks like it.

Web Cams are $540 for the welded cores yes yours are needed.
Yosh--roughly $750 includes sprockets, no cores needed.

BTW--Web was very friendly and helpful. If you decide to go with them I would discuss your set-up and get recommendations on LC settings.
Yosh did not have the duration specs at any other lift other than 1mm. Yosh claims 8-10 hp increase, (have heard as much as 12hp) in the Mid to upper rpm. Cam was developed for road racing and was used in the Suzooka race in 1999. No spring changes req'd.

And.. IF you want to learn how to degree a motorcycle cam set, Web cams has a video. $24.00.



[This message has been edited by Bob (edited 03 January 2000).]
 
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