Living in a country founded by Geniuses but run by Idiots

skydivr

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If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but
not for being in the country illegally ... you might live in a country
founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If you have to get your parents' permission to go on a field trip or
take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion ... you might
live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If the only school curriculum allowed to explain how we got here is
evolution, but the government stops a $15 million construction project
to keep a rare spider from evolving to extinction ... you might live
in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If you have to show identification to board an airplane, cash a check,
buy liquor, or check out a library book, but not to vote who runs the
government ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run
by idiots.

If the government wants to ban stable, law-abiding citizens from
owning gun magazines with more than ten rounds, but gives 20 F-16
fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt ... you might live in a
country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If, in the largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not a
24-ounce soda because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you fat
... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If an 80-year-old woman can be stripped searched by the TSA but a
woman in a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head searched
... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions
of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more ... you might live in a
country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If a seven year old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his
teacher is "cute", but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class
in grade school is perfectly acceptable ... you might live in a
country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If children are forcibly removed from parents who discipline them with
spankings while children of addicts are left in filth and drug
infested ?homes?... you might live in a country founded by geniuses
but run by idiots.

If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government
intrusion, while not working is rewarded with EBT cards, WIC checks,
Medicaid, subsidized housing, and free cell phones ... you might live
in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If the government's plan for getting people back to work is to be an
incentive NOT working with 99 weeks of Unemployment checks and no
requirement to prove they applied but can't find work ... you might
live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big
screen TV while your neighbor buys iPhones, TV's and new cars, and the
government forgives his debt when he defaults on his mortgage ... you
might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If being stripped of the ability to defend yourself makes you more
"safe" according to the government ... you might live in a country
founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Participating in a gun "buy back" because you believe that the
criminals have too many guns is like having yourself castrated because
you believe that the neighbors have too many kids.
 
If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but
not for being in the country illegally ... you might live in a country
founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

You can, and many do get arrested for being illegally residing in the country. That said, prove to me that there is no benefit to having the illegal population here, or even that there are more drawbacks than benefits.

If you have to get your parents' permission to go on a field trip or
take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion ... you might
live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.


I tend to think that the choice of whether or not to have a child in school is a larger and far longer lasting choice than whether or not to take a pain killer…the person who will be responsible for the consequences should always be the one to have the choice.


If the only school curriculum allowed to explain how we got here is
evolution, but the government stops a $15 million construction project
to keep a rare spider from evolving to extinction ... you might live
in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Our encroachment on the territory of species, and the subsequent annihilation of numerous species due to our greed has very little to do with the scientific theory of evolution. This is a false equivalence.

If you have to show identification to board an airplane, cash a check,
buy liquor, or check out a library book, but not to vote who runs the
government ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run
by idiots.

Fraudulent voting practices by non-eligible people is a myth, it simply doesn’t happen nearly often enough to matter.

If the government wants to ban stable, law-abiding citizens from
owning gun magazines with more than ten rounds, but gives 20 F-16
fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt ... you might live in a
country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

This, on the other hand, I completely agree with…though it’s not because they’re stupid, it’s because they’re greedy.

If, in the largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not a
24-ounce soda because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you fat
... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Again, not stupid, but greedy.

If an 80-year-old woman can be stripped searched by the TSA but a
woman in a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head searched
... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If they’re strip searching 80 year olds, you can be sure that they’re strip searching muslim women…though why you should be any more suspicious of the muslim woman than the 80 year old, I’m not sure.

If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions
of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more ... you might live in a
country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Not sure when this suddenly became an issue…we’ve been recklessly spending on items that don’t benefit the country as a whole for decades now.

If a seven year old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his
teacher is "cute", but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class
in grade school is perfectly acceptable ... you might live in a
country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Another false equivalence. A “sexual exploration or diversity†class, while sounding risqué, only serves to teach our young Americans that people of all faiths, creeds, and sexual orientations are equal in this country, as protected by the constitution.

If children are forcibly removed from parents who discipline them with
spankings while children of addicts are left in filth and drug
infested ?homes?... you might live in a country founded by geniuses
but run by idiots.

Find me some statistics of how many children are being put into foster homes for spankings by the parents, as compared to children taken from the homes of drug addicts and I might accept this, until that time, this is simple rhetoric not backed up by factual data.

If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government
intrusion, while not working is rewarded with EBT cards, WIC checks,
Medicaid, subsidized housing, and free cell phones ... you might live
in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Being low income does not necessarily mean that one is not a hard worker, simply that one has not yet managed to overcome whatever struggles the person in question is currently working through. Oh, and free cell phones (Obamaphones) don’t really exist, that’s a myth.

If the government's plan for getting people back to work is to be an
incentive NOT working with 99 weeks of Unemployment checks and no
requirement to prove they applied but can't find work ... you might
live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Not sure how you think that UI doesn’t require documentation of active job searching, but you’re flat wrong. Considering the horrible job environment and the hesitancy of companies to hire in the last few years, preventing a massive falloff in consumer activity would only end in a further worsening of the economy, leading to a furthering spiral.

If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big
screen TV while your neighbor buys iPhones, TV's and new cars, and the
government forgives his debt when he defaults on his mortgage ... you
might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

In general, when someone defaults on their payments, there are several actions that can be taken to recover that debt; liens on income, repo and auction of property, and potentially repossessing of vehicles and housing (depending on state and situation). Bankruptcy isn’t the “get out of debt free†card you’re making it out to be.

If being stripped of the ability to defend yourself makes you more
"safe" according to the government ... you might live in a country
founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Not sure how a proposed limited ban on some classes of firearms (which most likely wont ever come into being, by the way) completely eviscerates your ability to defend yourself, you aren’t living in the same reality that I inhabit. The vast majority of weapons used in self defense situations have not been, nor will ever be in the foreseeable future, proposed for banning.

Participating in a gun "buy back" because you believe that the
criminals have too many guns is like having yourself castrated because
you believe that the neighbors have too many kids.

Not much to say on this, as this is your personal opinion, and you are entitled to it (at least until they start working on entitlement reform), but participation in a gun buyback program is their choice, and you should give them the respect for making their own decisions if you ever expect people to respect yours in return.
 
If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but
not for being in the country illegally ... you might live in a country
founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

You can, and many do get arrested for being illegally residing in the country. That said, prove to me that there is no benefit to having the illegal population here, or even that there are more drawbacks than benefits.

The 11 million that live here illegally would beg to differ. I don't have to prove anything, illegal is illegal. Kinda like having to fight the gun grabbers when the 2nd Amendment was decided 200+ years ago.

If you have to get your parents' permission to go on a field trip or
take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion ... you might
live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.


I tend to think that the choice of whether or not to have a child in school is a larger and far longer lasting choice than whether or not to take a pain killer…the person who will be responsible for the consequences should always be the one to have the choice.


Children are not adults and they don't get to make their own choices until they are. Parents PROTECT their children from those kinds of consequences.

If the only school curriculum allowed to explain how we got here is
evolution, but the government stops a $15 million construction project
to keep a rare spider from evolving to extinction ... you might live
in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Our encroachment on the territory of species, and the subsequent annihilation of numerous species due to our greed has very little to do with the scientific theory of evolution. This is a false equivalence.

No, but it's still hypocritical for the state to allow one, but totallally ban the other.

If you have to show identification to board an airplane, cash a check,
buy liquor, or check out a library book, but not to vote who runs the
government ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run
by idiots.

Fraudulent voting practices by non-eligible people is a myth, it simply doesn’t happen nearly often enough to matter.

I call BS; we don't know how big a problem because we are not allowed to check. And if it doesn't matter, then why the big fight against it?

If the government wants to ban stable, law-abiding citizens from
owning gun magazines with more than ten rounds, but gives 20 F-16
fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt ... you might live in a
country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

This, on the other hand, I completely agree with…though it’s not because they’re stupid, it’s because they’re greedy.

Oh, it's really because they are greedy AND stupid.....

If, in the largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not a
24-ounce soda because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you fat
... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Again, not stupid, but greedy. and stupid

If an 80-year-old woman can be stripped searched by the TSA but a
woman in a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head searched
... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If they’re strip searching 80 year olds, you can be sure that they’re strip searching muslim women…though why you should be any more suspicious of the muslim woman than the 80 year old, I’m not sure.

As the Isralies why...

If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions
of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more ... you might live in a
country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Not sure when this suddenly became an issue…we’ve been recklessly spending on items that don’t benefit the country as a whole for decades now.

Have you looked at the line chart lately? In the last 4 years we TRIPLED the ENTIRE debt more of all the other Presidents COMBINED. Yes, we've spent recklessly, but not even close to the scale/pace of the last 4 years.

If a seven year old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his
teacher is "cute", but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class
in grade school is perfectly acceptable ... you might live in a
country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Another false equivalence. A “sexual exploration or diversity†class, while sounding risqué, only serves to teach our young Americans that people of all faiths, creeds, and sexual orientations are equal in this country, as protected by the constitution.

NOT A SEVEN YEAR OLD IN FIRST GRADE. He/She does not have the knowlege, maturity or reasoning capacity to understand NEITHER. This teaching belongs to the PARENT, NOT a school system or government agency. You got any kids?

If children are forcibly removed from parents who discipline them with
spankings while children of addicts are left in filth and drug
infested ?homes?... you might live in a country founded by geniuses
but run by idiots.

Find me some statistics of how many children are being put into foster homes for spankings by the parents, as compared to children taken from the homes of drug addicts and I might accept this, until that time, this is simple rhetoric not backed up by factual data.

I don't have to find statistics, it's stupid based on it's own merits...


If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government
intrusion, while not working is rewarded with EBT cards, WIC checks,
Medicaid, subsidized housing, and free cell phones ... you might live
in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Being low income does not necessarily mean that one is not a hard worker, simply that one has not yet managed to overcome whatever struggles the person in question is currently working through. Oh, and free cell phones (Obamaphones) don’t really exist, that’s a myth.

Tell it to the woman who had 20 and bragged about how she didn't pay for any of them...

If the government's plan for getting people back to work is to be an
incentive NOT working with 99 weeks of Unemployment checks and no
requirement to prove they applied but can't find work ... you might
live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Not sure how you think that UI doesn’t require documentation of active job searching, but you’re flat wrong. Considering the horrible job environment and the hesitancy of companies to hire in the last few years, preventing a massive falloff in consumer activity would only end in a further worsening of the economy, leading to a furthering spiral.

Have you ever seen someone 'search'? I have. Someone walks into the door, unkempt, sagging, needs a shave and asks "are you hiring?" You say "No", they say "OK" and call that an 'active search'; now gimme my check. 3 years isn't unemployment, that's WELFARE, and should be debated as such. Eventually, there has to be some weaning off UI, say after a year or two it goes down 10% a month; eventually we will find that 'sweet spot' where people will find a job instead of taking UI, and it will be easy to see. I had a customer who hired a guy to start 5 Jan; when he didn't show they called him and his response was "oh, the congress extended my benefits"...consumer activity founded by public DEBT is a fools game.

If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big
screen TV while your neighbor buys iPhones, TV's and new cars, and the
government forgives his debt when he defaults on his mortgage ... you
might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

In general, when someone defaults on their payments, there are several actions that can be taken to recover that debt; liens on income, repo and auction of property, and potentially repossessing of vehicles and housing (depending on state and situation). Bankruptcy isn’t the “get out of debt free†card you’re making it out to be.

The hell it's not. I've been a trustee on several CH 11 creditor's committees (have you?). I've watched guys park their Mercedes in the parking lot at bankruptcy court to come and and claim they don't have any money. I'd say Donald Trump is living proof of it.

If being stripped of the ability to defend yourself makes you more
"safe" according to the government ... you might live in a country
founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Not sure how a proposed limited ban on some classes of firearms (which most likely wont ever come into being, by the way) completely eviscerates your ability to defend yourself, you aren’t living in the same reality that I inhabit. The vast majority of weapons used in self defense situations have not been, nor will ever be in the foreseeable future, proposed for banning.

The only class of firearms that counts is the class that takes the ability of the citizenry to defend itself against a tryannical government? Again, why are we arguing the 2nd Amendment when it already exists?

Participating in a gun "buy back" because you believe that the
criminals have too many guns is like having yourself castrated because
you believe that the neighbors have too many kids.

Not much to say on this, as this is your personal opinion, and you are entitled to it (at least until they start working on entitlement reform), but participation in a gun buyback program is their choice, and you should give them the respect for making their own decisions if you ever expect people to respect yours in return.

Given all the attempts our legislatures and the current administration are proposing, I'd say my respect for my decision to keep and bear arms ISN'T being respected. True respect would be, if you don't want them for you, Don't buy or have them, but don't stick your nose into my right to....and they are using MY tax dollars (yes, I'm one of the minority that actually PAYS income taxes) to do it.


Lastly, obviously a forward post and not my own words, but just too good to pass up.
 
Most of your arguments reek of confirmation bias...you believe a story because it casts you as the poor downtrodden american hero, and those people you dont like as the leeches of society, and you never bother to check the reality of whether or not the line you're being fed is true...you make war upon the lower classes while deifying the wealthy; the very people who are truly opressing you, because you follow bully rules; pulling others down to lift yourself higher. It's not your fault either, its simply what you've been taught to do. I'll point out a few cases you've shown in which your reasoning simply isn't true:

"I don't have to prove anything" - well, you do if you want your argument to have merit. I dont have to prove that the Earth is flat, but if I don't, my assertions are meaningless.

"Parents PROTECT their children from those kinds of consequences" - Teen Pregnancy Rates put the lie to this...as well as statistics on the number of children put up for foster and adoption.

"it's still hypocritical for the state to allow one, but totallally ban the other" - There's no hypocrisy in requiring evolution while restricting ID/Creationism; one if a scientifically observable and confirmable phenomena, while the other is a religious premise founded on a written text with no discernable evidence and is unable to be verified in any way. If I demanded that you teach about Unicorns in school because my book says they existed, you'd laugh me out!

" call BS; we don't know how big a problem because we are not allowed to check. And if it doesn't matter, then why the big fight against it?" - Statistics aren't hard to find on this...

Between 2000 and 2010, there were:
649 million votes cast in general elections
47,000 UFO sightings
441 Americans killed by lightning
13 credible cases of in-person voter impersonation

The reason for the big fight against voter ID laws is that is unjustly denies voting rights to citizens...if you want I can elaborate on how exactly that works.

"I don't have to find statistics" - If you have no data to back up your claims, why should your claims be believed? You make this out to be an epidemic, and I see no proof of that.

"Have you ever seen someone 'search'? " - Yes, I was on UI myself, so I was required to actively search and apply for positions...I was routinely asked for details of my job search, and was scrutinized to determine whether I was making a "good faith attempt at finding gainful employment"...that's the case at least in Arizona, I can't speak to other states.

"Tell it to the woman who had 20 and bragged about how she didn't pay for any of them..." - Find me a link to a story about this woman...this sounds like the typical urban myth "I heard about this lady from my friend who heard it from..."

"I've watched guys park their Mercedes in the parking lot at bankruptcy court..." - I'm sure that some people, such as Mr. Trump, have learned how to bend the system to serve their own ends, but as a person who has watched family members go through bankruptcies, I can tell you that it doesn't often go easy on people. Are you really sure that everyone in bankruptcy is having an easy time, or are you generalizing off a smaller sample?

"the class that takes the ability of the citizenry to defend itself against a tryannical government" - Let me know when you own an Abrahms and a Predator Drone.

"I'd say my respect for my decision to keep and bear arms ISN'T being respected" - your civil rights only exist so long as the do not infringe on the rights of others or society as a whole, that's the compact we enter into as citizens of this nation.

Mind you, in reference to the 2nd amendment specifically, I think they're scapegoating, and it pisses me off....no one is stopping to think about whether or not the proposed changes are really going to be effective for what they are claiming to be wanting the legislation for! :banghead:
 
I commend you on your well thought-out and well-written response. You are gonna have to give me a few days to reply to this one, as it's not something I can do while a) supposedly working and b) leaving for Barber and further to FL on work for a week...
 
I'm glad that we can have a lively and engaging debate while avoiding attacking each other on personal grounds. Have fun out in Barber, keep safe, and I will await your reply. :) In the mean time, I too should return to our hypothetical work ;)
 
If you live in a country founded by geniuses, that now is full of idiots, that elect their fellow idiots, they will get what they deserve. Darwin at work on a grand scale.

Argilbertson, you are pretty literate for a communist, I say this with respect.

Skydvr, as Oddball said to Moriarty, "enough with the negativity", all is not lost, this is America, we will still be America a thousand years from now.
 
Hey Master! Thanks for the compliment, though I'm not a communist, I'm more of a Socialist Democrat. I believe in a person's right to own their own business and property.
 
Hey Master! Thanks for the compliment, though I'm not a communist, I'm more of a Socialist Democrat. I believe in a person's right to own their own business and property.

And apparently have a government job to have this much time on your hands between 8-5 on a weekday? :dunno:
 
"I'd say my respect for my decision to keep and bear arms ISN'T being respected" - your civil rights only exist so long as the do not infringe on the rights of others or society as a whole, that's the compact we enter into as citizens of this nation.
There is a lot here, but I would only care to comment on this small part of it. I'm not exactly certain how my right to own and legally carry could possibly infringe on the right of anyone else not to own or carry. Can you please explain how my right and decision to own and/or carry infringes on the rights of others or society as a whole?

Furthermore, it seems to me that the basis of my civil rights in this country are pretty well spelled out in the Amendments to the Constitution. The amendments (the Bill of Rights specifically) have no provision in them for the rights of society as a whole; they speak primarily to the rights of individuals. For example, I and much of society as a whole may find some forms of speech (as broadly defined by SCOTUS) offensive, but neither I nor society as a whole or in part are protected from any one individual who chooses to speak offensively. That individual's right to speak however they like is protected.

Just as like my example of speech above, the Constitution and its Amendments are silent when it comes to the rights of Society in relation to firearms, but it is certainly not silent with respect to individuals.

I firmly stand my right to own and or carry firearms.

--Sky
 
"I'd say my respect for my decision to keep and bear arms ISN'T being respected" - your civil rights only exist so long as the do not infringe on the rights of others or society as a whole, that's the compact we enter into as citizens of this nation.
There is a lot here, but I would only care to comment on this small part of it. I'm not exactly certain how my right to own and legally carry could possibly infringe on the right of anyone else not to own or carry. Can you please explain how my right and decision to own and/or carry infringes on the rights of others or society as a whole?

Furthermore, it seems to me that the basis of my civil rights in this country are pretty well spelled out in the Amendments to the Constitution. The amendments (the Bill of Rights specifically) have no provision in them for the rights of society as a whole; they speak primarily to the rights of individuals. For example, I and much of society as a whole may find some forms of speech (as broadly defined by SCOTUS) offensive, but neither I nor society as a whole or in part are protected from any one individual who chooses to speak offensively. That individual's right to speak however they like is protected.

Just as like my example of speech above, the Constitution and its Amendments are silent when it comes to the rights of Society in relation to firearms, but it is certainly not silent with respect to individuals.

I firmly stand my right to own and or carry firearms.

--Sky

The theoretical argument being presented (Not that I'm in agreement with it mind you), is that since gun violence is caused by the use of guns, it is in the best interest of the majority of society for their use and existence to be regulated such that the use of said firearms in violent crime is curtailed. As a result of that thought, it becomes necesary for the society to act in the interests of the majority of its citizenry, and place well-thought regulations upon the ownership and use of those weapons to effect that change. it's a derivation of the concept of majority rule; ie. that which benefits the clear majority of the group must be enacted, though it may negatively impact the minority. At least thats the general theory in a nutshell.


Is that truly what the debate on the 2nd amendment is really about? I have my doubts.
 
That is apparent.

Gov`t job.

What is more important, educating with the truth or opinion?

In your opinion, what is the cause of inner city children not getting a good education?
Is there a fix?

jeez...that's a complex question, not easily answered. I would say that several factors are at play with this, including such things as tax base, class loads, teacher recruitment, as well as socio-economic factors influencing preschool/kindergarden entrance rates, and preparedness. I dont really see an easy fix for the problem either, mainly because no one thing can resolve all the potential causes of the disparity...but there's a few things I would recommend all schools start trying to change in order to have better outcomes....there's a RSAnimate video which goes over some of the failings of the current educational system, I'll look it up here real quick like. ;)

Here ya go!
 
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The theoretical argument being presented (Not that I'm in agreement with it mind you), is that since gun violence is caused by the use of guns, it is in the best interest of the majority of society for their use and existence to be regulated such that the use of said firearms in violent crime is curtailed. As a result of that thought, it becomes necesary for the society to act in the interests of the majority of its citizenry, and place well-thought regulations upon the ownership and use of those weapons to effect that change. It’s a derivation of the concept of majority rule; ie. that which benefits the clear majority of the group must be enacted, though it may negatively impact the minority. At least that’s the general theory in a nutshell.

Is that truly what the debate on the 2nd amendment is really about? I have my doubts.

Hmmmmmm... 'well-thought regulations' -- when was the last time anything like a well-thought regulation came out of our federal govt?:laugh:

'to act in the interests of the majority of its citizenry' -- I suspect the majority of the citizens of the US have never been personally confronted by firearm violence. If the violence (although tragic and deplorable) only affects a vast minority of the populous, how is reducing it in the interests of the majority?

Majority Rule -- While many may believe that our form of government is based on Majority Rule, it is not. Our system of government is designed to protect the minority from oppression by the majority (and by extension the govt). That is the whole premise behind the Bill of Rights as well as many of the other amendments to the Constitution.

The biggest hole I see in the argument you present is it assumes the ability to regulate firearms; specifically that those already 'In the Wild' can be regulated in some way. It would be interesting to see how many people are injured or killed on a yearly basis by firearms that were legally purchased within 30 days of the incident as opposed to those that have been around longer. This would provide an idea of how tightly regulating the purchase and sale of firearms might affect firearm violence. If it is as I suspect, that the vast majority of incidents happen with firearms that have been in public hands for a long time, regulating the sale or limiting the types of new firearms will do nothing to prevent such tragedies.

In situations where municipalities are declaring it illegal to own firearms or firearm components and demanding that they be turned in for destruction, only those who are not likely a threat would turn them in, and probably only a subset of them at best. This would accomplish a few things in my opinion, none of the good;
-- Turn generally law abiding citizens into criminals; either because they were not aware of the law or how it applied to firearms or components they already owned, or because they chose to not turn their personal property in to the govt.
-- Leave firearms in the hands of those who intend violence; criminals will not voluntarily surrender firearms just because there is a new law that says they should. If they are already predisposed to violate laws against violence, they are not likely to be concerned about and additional offence.
-- Infringe upon the constitutionally guaranteed right of the individuals who desire to own a firearm. Where does this stop, today, firearms, tomorrow speech or religion, eventually all liberties. It can be a very slippery slope once we take the first step.

Ultimately, constitutionally, all of this is irrelevant. With reference to civil rights or liberties, there is no protection afforded 'society' anywhere in the document or any of its amendments. The protections of rights and liberty are all directed at the individual. This suggests that the framers of the document placed a higher value on the liberties of the individual than the society. These were people who had been subjected to tyrannical government and knew intimately what pain that brought to the individual. The purpose of the Constitution is to prevent tyranny within our shores. It is to protect us, individually. The more we or our proxy, the govt, chip away at it, the less protection it will afford us, until one day liberty is gone and we find our necks under the boot of a dictator. To borrow the language of Patrick Henry:

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! -- I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! :brave:

--Sky
 
jeez...that's a complex question, not easily answered. I would say that several factors are at play with this, including such things as tax base, class loads, teacher recruitment, as well as socio-economic factors influencing preschool/kindergarden entrance rates, and preparedness. I dont really see an easy fix for the problem either, mainly because no one thing can resolve all the potential causes of the disparity...but there's a few things I would recommend all schools start trying to change in order to have better outcomes....there's a RSAnimate video which goes over some of the failings of the current educational system, I'll look it up here real quick like. ;)

Here ya go!

Now you've gone too far, Big Brother is raising our children just fine , and with fine programs like headstart just to mention one of hundreds children are more than prepared by time the reach school :poke:
 
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