Likelihood of a draft
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I think you need to do some research and come back after class...
I can not connect all the dots for you... I guess thought provoking statements you and do not get along well...
You could come back and say what has the SA got to do with the youth program? Do you even know who the brown shirts were?
ok put dot here .
and one here .
now try to connect them...
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Terms for next weeks class:
Social Democrats
Storm Troopers (and not star wars)
Night of the long knives (and that is not s-words for 200 Alex)
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Dont worry about getting into shape.
They will draft you anyway. And if you are overweight when you are in boot camp they will immediatly send you to what the military calls the fat boy program (well at least the troops, I am sure the government has a more PC term for it.)
In the fat boy program they restrict your food intake and increase your exercise and they monitor you constantly.
In the volunteer military if you don't drop weight within a certain amount of time they discharge you.
But I think in a draft environment you would stay in the program until either you lost the weight and got in shape or you served you obligatory time.
Of course your obligatory time might not start until you graduated from boot camp in which case the person would just stay on the fat boy program until they got in shape, then served their obligatory time.
Fortunately for me I already served 10 years in the Marines and over 10 years in DoD as a civilian so the
My advice to everyone if they start the draft up again, choose the service you want to go into and sign up and go in as quick as you can. that way you can at least choose what branch and maybe what you get to do.
Otherwise you will do what the government wants / needs you to do.
Oh yeah, and about who pays the bills? it is not the governments concern.
So guess what, if you are making lets say 30k or more per year. Better sell everything before you go in and make sure your family can live off of the money you send them from you E-1 pay
Here is the pay scale for the military
2008 Military Pay Scale
As an E-1 you will start out at $1347.00 per month
Thats of course before any deductions. I haven't been in the service in awhile and received a military pay check, but I think your check is federally taxed but not state taxed. So figure you will be minus federal taxes (which under Obama will increase a little).
And I "think" the military has some money coming out for medical (at least that is what I think I heard from the guys I work with).
Oh, and if you lose your $60,000.00 per year job because you had to go into the service, dont file bankruptcy. Some of your better jobs in the military require a security clearance, and usually you wont get a clearance if you have a bankruptcy on your record.
Of course if the draft comes back I am guessing the number of bankruptcy will clime and they might take that into consideration.
yeah fooled you didnt he.
Just because he said he was going to pull the troops out of Iraq doesnt mean he will.
Besides, I don't think he ever said he would pull the troops out of Iraq and bring them home, just pull the troops out of Iraq.
I have heard he possibly intends to pull the troops out of Iraq and redistribute them to Afghanistan since we still don't have that place under control totally.
Besides when he cuts the military budget he will have to have someway of getting people to serve in the military because people wont want to work for free. so you will have to force them
State taxes are taken out for most states. There are some that give you the option if you are a active duty out of state resident to not pay taxes. That's what I did.
OregonAnd yeah... What Thrasher said. Although having prior service they will take you back at a higher rating. I would have the option to go back as an E-4 or E-5. With BAH (basic allowance for housing) and FSP (family seperation pay) I would only be 10k short a year on pay
State taxes depend on your state of residence. Some don't tax mil pay at all some don't tax the first 50K (this number could be off). Unless they started taking out for medical within the last 5 years I don't remember any being taken out.
The E-1 also gets free room and board. And if the Army wanted them to have families they would be issued.
I suppose some markets will benafit from the draft.
Such as the ilegal drug market.
Right now because service in the military is volunteer and it is more of a privilgae to serve, they have a zero tolerance drug policy.
"most" people serving in the military dont want to get kicked out. They are they because they want to be there.
When you inact the draft there is going to bee all kind of issues. Young people being drafted because they grew up in democratic households where the parents were allways talking about how bad war is, how bad the military is, how corrupt our government is. Well all these kids growing up with this type of influence from their parents are going to be forced to serve in something they have grown up being programmed to dislike.
They will hate their jobs, they will hate being in the military and some will get depressed enough to start doing drugs. they will figure what is the worse they can do? kick them out? yeah in a draft they wont kick you out for drugs. they will either look the other way like they did in Vietnam (which of enough start doing drugs they wont have any other option than to look the other way)
or they will be putting a lot of people in the brig and giving them crap duties. Which is why I said if enough are doing drugs they will end up ignoring it. Or maybe ignoring it in your low tech environments but hopefully maintain a zero tolerance stance when it comes to techincal fields such as aviation maintenance.
Of course you will also have you mid 20 year olds, who have just started a family, have a decent job and they will get drafted.
A lot of those the wives will leave them because our youth these days do not know much about self sacrafice and what "till death do us part" means. which by the way has been taught to them by their parents.
So you have a guy that gets drafted into something he hates, his wife leaves him and takes his kids, and he loses his 30K+ a year job.
yeah, your drug issues will rise in the military breeding a whole new generation of drug addicts that we haven't seen since the Vietnam era.
And if anyone calls BS on this look at Vietnam, everything I just mentioned was the major causes of drug use in Vietnam. the human personality hasnt changed, put a human into the same circumstances over and over and they will usually do the same thing over and over.
Depression is a beyotch.
So yeah, the illegal drug industry should make out good if we have a draft
Such as the ilegal drug market.
Right now because service in the military is volunteer and it is more of a privilgae to serve, they have a zero tolerance drug policy.
"most" people serving in the military dont want to get kicked out. They are they because they want to be there.
When you inact the draft there is going to bee all kind of issues. Young people being drafted because they grew up in democratic households where the parents were allways talking about how bad war is, how bad the military is, how corrupt our government is. Well all these kids growing up with this type of influence from their parents are going to be forced to serve in something they have grown up being programmed to dislike.
They will hate their jobs, they will hate being in the military and some will get depressed enough to start doing drugs. they will figure what is the worse they can do? kick them out? yeah in a draft they wont kick you out for drugs. they will either look the other way like they did in Vietnam (which of enough start doing drugs they wont have any other option than to look the other way)
or they will be putting a lot of people in the brig and giving them crap duties. Which is why I said if enough are doing drugs they will end up ignoring it. Or maybe ignoring it in your low tech environments but hopefully maintain a zero tolerance stance when it comes to techincal fields such as aviation maintenance.
Of course you will also have you mid 20 year olds, who have just started a family, have a decent job and they will get drafted.
A lot of those the wives will leave them because our youth these days do not know much about self sacrafice and what "till death do us part" means. which by the way has been taught to them by their parents.
So you have a guy that gets drafted into something he hates, his wife leaves him and takes his kids, and he loses his 30K+ a year job.
yeah, your drug issues will rise in the military breeding a whole new generation of drug addicts that we haven't seen since the Vietnam era.
And if anyone calls BS on this look at Vietnam, everything I just mentioned was the major causes of drug use in Vietnam. the human personality hasnt changed, put a human into the same circumstances over and over and they will usually do the same thing over and over.
Depression is a beyotch.
So yeah, the illegal drug industry should make out good if we have a draft
come on SJ, while you and I are old enough to be familiar with that and know that is a basic truth, dont scare the youngins
come on SJ, while you and I are old enough to be familiar with that and know that is a basic truth, dont scare the youngins
It is why I made the decision to get out when I did.
My son who will turn 18 in May is trying to decided what to do: school, work, military?
I have a hard time with him going in the military (I support our military 100%), but as a dad and vet I know what he could face and I know what it is like to have nightmares, I don't want that for him. I knew how to take care of myself but a lot of that was based on the guys I served with, I am not sure how to pass that all on to him. It is more scary thinking about him being there than it every was actually being there. That is fatherhood I guess. That said if he makes the decision to go in I will guide him and give him the best of my experience and support him 100%.
And dont forget, you quality of the military has a direct relation to it being a volunteer force or a mandatory service.
For the last 20 years I have seen the military dwindle down and we are told to do more with less. right now we have some of the best trained, most motivated people in our military that you can possibly have.
Our current milutary members will make something work, they will get the job done with half tha manning. and how do they do this?
because of two conditions, one our people want to be there and they take pride in what they do, and two most of the people in are pretty darn smart.
In a draft you are going to have people that have little to no motivation, they will not take as much pride in what they do. and we will (and I hate to say it) have less intelligent people.
So if a draft it is inacted, after a few years where the volunteer force rotates out and it becomes mroe and more of a sevice of mandatory service personell, it will probably take 1 and a half to 2 times the amount of people to do the same job our military does today.
And lets not forget the increase of casualties due to the above factors if we have to go to war with a mainly drafted military
For the last 20 years I have seen the military dwindle down and we are told to do more with less. right now we have some of the best trained, most motivated people in our military that you can possibly have.
Our current milutary members will make something work, they will get the job done with half tha manning. and how do they do this?
because of two conditions, one our people want to be there and they take pride in what they do, and two most of the people in are pretty darn smart.
In a draft you are going to have people that have little to no motivation, they will not take as much pride in what they do. and we will (and I hate to say it) have less intelligent people.
So if a draft it is inacted, after a few years where the volunteer force rotates out and it becomes mroe and more of a sevice of mandatory service personell, it will probably take 1 and a half to 2 times the amount of people to do the same job our military does today.
And lets not forget the increase of casualties due to the above factors if we have to go to war with a mainly drafted military
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Hate to tell yall but the war is finished ! It's turning from security to oil contracts over the next couple years . It's already started and i'm watching from all different levels right this second . Going on six years , anybody hiring cause we're coming home soon enough . We'll have a little more work when big a leaves but when we're subjected to the law of the land " iraq " i'm packing it in and headed back south . The party is over for us private folk . I do know one happy lady ?????
if you don't fall into the min/max requirements you won't even get to sign the papers. You can talk with a recruiter to find out where you need to be.
Fear and greed keep each other in check. That's the way the real world works. Like it or not. If these Counties don't fear us, their greed will destroy us. It's only our threats that keep them in check. When threats aren't taken seriously, there is no deterrent to prevent them from taking what they want.
Talk works on the little league field or the boardroom but, when it's life or death you better hope that the guy that wants your head fears you or he will take your head and those of your family and friends too.
I see no need to talk to those that have sworn to wipe us off the face of the earth and lop the heads off our citizens or hang the charred bodies of our service men from bridges. Our enemies only want to talk in order to buy time to grow stronger so they can kill us better.
motogp08
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I was thinking the exact same thing.
Army, or Marines, Army, or Marines...decisions decisions.
Ask the Reservist who is paying there bills while they are gone on their 12-18 month activations. Nobody. It is a sad state when our military people are living on food stamps to support their families. Yes it was their choice to sign up. But 15 years in with nothing going on, A real job to pay the bills and then you get called up your pay is cut in half or worse. The family suffers.
Not a flame or a ball busting just some enlightenment because you sir asked the most important question and yes I am using your post to point out this sad fact. Thank you for unkowingly allowing me to do so.
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