So I get a PM today from one of the moderators that was passing a members complaint to me (who the member is has no bearing on this message so I removed the member name). The more I read this complaint the more I wanted to know what the masses thought........ So here is the final response from a member here to a moderator....
I know what you are saying, but what if people dont want to use the auction to sell stuff, the price is the price, for anything people are trying to sell no sense turning this into a FEE BAY deal.
This site was much better when the "owner" wasnt trying to make money off of it.
I appreciate the fact you work and have a family, but you chose to do what you do so dont tell me your just doing what you need to do, YOU CHOSE to be a moderator, so you choose to do this noone makes you.
I have several threads/posts removed for voicing my opinions, because of my affiliations with board members that got banned for voicing opinions...
So tell me when did this become a money making board, and does the "owner" report what he makes from the "donations" and the raffles to the IRS? is there a business license? do you have business insurance, is there fraud protection, I dont think you have the rights to tell us how to sell our stuff if you dont have these things in order, I would check your federal laws pretty quick, I believe if the "owner" is gonna profit from this board there needs to be some business licenses posted for public view,
is there some were on here that says you have the right to free speech unless we dont like it we will remove it for you...
ugh...this cant ever be just a social forum for people to share knowledge and information someone always has to try to profit from it...
I offered to donate money from the sales to the board, so obviously I am not the only one benefitting from selling my stuff here, and if thats the attitude you and the rest of your moderator friends have, this board will not succeed for long, people are people, and dont appreciate being talked to the way you guys are talkin to people.
So if you would like me to take myself and my other busa friends else were then keep practicing your policies the way you are, and then we will all suffer because the baord wont be around anymore....[/Quote]
Do you guys think that I really make money from this website? Is that what the general consensus is, that I I am just looking for a buck? I don't even know how to respond to these PM's anymore........ Some months we come out ahead some months we lose our pants, I have been trying to come up with ideas to have the site fund itself without donations, geesh I'm trying to keep this site up for a bunch of great people and you know what a bunch of complainers too. I do the best I can, we have a great group of mods that run the front end board stuff, I keep the site running.
The idea of an auction site wasn't to make me rich it was to pay for the hosting fees, upgrades, software, labor for programming, artwork, shirts, decals, hats and all the other stuff we try to do.
I read in the email that this site won't be around long, I have heard that from the very first day that we brought the message board online, and I have heard it consistantly for the past 7 years. It will never be that the site doesn't have anyone to come here, there are thousands of people that want to come and use the resources, not a lot who want to pay to keep it going... I have tried to sell shirts, hats, decals and jackets. A guy can only have so many busa shirts in the closet ya know, we started the raffles to help out and we have had folks complain about them too.
I sat one day and looked at the website and asked myself what I could do to generate money so that this site would be self sufficient, one thing that we have here is constant traffic. I decided that an auction site would be perfect, if you have something to sell you put it up and if it sells the site gets a couple of cents, if it doesn't no harm no foul. If you were looking for a part or accessory you could go to the auction site and find a vendor there and do business. The new functionality was put into place to help you YOU YOU YOU not me.
I pay taxes on this site, I have an accountant that performs all of my taxes so I am on the up and up, feel free to contact the IRS...... I have nothing to hide.
I have had a rough day, I get this message and now I'm trying to justify why I do things the way I do them.... Incredible.......
For those that are reading this and thinking to yourselvelves I wonder what it cost to run a website like this?? I will enclose the stats for a typical month. It takes a pretty big server to dish out all the info that put out into the world and bandwidth cost too.... When the site was smaller and I hosted it in my house keeping the thing running wasn't a problem, now its in California in a hosting farm and I have limited access. I dont have the time that I used to so I often have to contract out code work and development to friends so that we can protect this place from malicious hack attempts and provide something new. It cost over 600 a month in hosting and bandwidth just in reoccurring cost, that doesnt cover the software, hardware changes or upgrades or my time..... (that has to be worth something)..
Time and time and time again the idea to make this place a paid membership site has come around. As appealing as it sounds its not going to happen. Too many of you out there just cant afford a few bucks every month, family and food comes first...... No problem...
What do I need from the folks out there that understand my situation and agree with me? It's simple I just need you to log on to the auction site and give it a whirl, I know it may be scary and new at first but its really easy. Where else could you go and buy and sell from guys that you know and respect and help a cause out in the process? That's it, if you see something that you like bid on it and buy it. If you have something around the house you want to sell, put it up....... The site gets a few bucks from a big sale.... If you disagree Im Okay with that but the sales on the message board will be removed.
I have instructed the moderators to delete all NEW threads that put up on the site that relate to personal or business sales. If you don't like my vision or you feel that I am infringing on your misunderstood freedoms on Hayabusa.org I suggest that you check out Sh.org, Labusas.org, psychobike.com or start your own site.......
Dennis at Sh.org (Dolphin is modding these days), Ducmaniac at Labusas and Frank at Psychobike all have superb websites that are fast, free and open to the public.... Check em out and see if they fit you better.
CAp
I know what you are saying, but what if people dont want to use the auction to sell stuff, the price is the price, for anything people are trying to sell no sense turning this into a FEE BAY deal.
This site was much better when the "owner" wasnt trying to make money off of it.
I appreciate the fact you work and have a family, but you chose to do what you do so dont tell me your just doing what you need to do, YOU CHOSE to be a moderator, so you choose to do this noone makes you.
I have several threads/posts removed for voicing my opinions, because of my affiliations with board members that got banned for voicing opinions...
So tell me when did this become a money making board, and does the "owner" report what he makes from the "donations" and the raffles to the IRS? is there a business license? do you have business insurance, is there fraud protection, I dont think you have the rights to tell us how to sell our stuff if you dont have these things in order, I would check your federal laws pretty quick, I believe if the "owner" is gonna profit from this board there needs to be some business licenses posted for public view,
is there some were on here that says you have the right to free speech unless we dont like it we will remove it for you...
ugh...this cant ever be just a social forum for people to share knowledge and information someone always has to try to profit from it...
I offered to donate money from the sales to the board, so obviously I am not the only one benefitting from selling my stuff here, and if thats the attitude you and the rest of your moderator friends have, this board will not succeed for long, people are people, and dont appreciate being talked to the way you guys are talkin to people.
So if you would like me to take myself and my other busa friends else were then keep practicing your policies the way you are, and then we will all suffer because the baord wont be around anymore....[/Quote]
Do you guys think that I really make money from this website? Is that what the general consensus is, that I I am just looking for a buck? I don't even know how to respond to these PM's anymore........ Some months we come out ahead some months we lose our pants, I have been trying to come up with ideas to have the site fund itself without donations, geesh I'm trying to keep this site up for a bunch of great people and you know what a bunch of complainers too. I do the best I can, we have a great group of mods that run the front end board stuff, I keep the site running.
The idea of an auction site wasn't to make me rich it was to pay for the hosting fees, upgrades, software, labor for programming, artwork, shirts, decals, hats and all the other stuff we try to do.
I read in the email that this site won't be around long, I have heard that from the very first day that we brought the message board online, and I have heard it consistantly for the past 7 years. It will never be that the site doesn't have anyone to come here, there are thousands of people that want to come and use the resources, not a lot who want to pay to keep it going... I have tried to sell shirts, hats, decals and jackets. A guy can only have so many busa shirts in the closet ya know, we started the raffles to help out and we have had folks complain about them too.
I sat one day and looked at the website and asked myself what I could do to generate money so that this site would be self sufficient, one thing that we have here is constant traffic. I decided that an auction site would be perfect, if you have something to sell you put it up and if it sells the site gets a couple of cents, if it doesn't no harm no foul. If you were looking for a part or accessory you could go to the auction site and find a vendor there and do business. The new functionality was put into place to help you YOU YOU YOU not me.
I pay taxes on this site, I have an accountant that performs all of my taxes so I am on the up and up, feel free to contact the IRS...... I have nothing to hide.
I have had a rough day, I get this message and now I'm trying to justify why I do things the way I do them.... Incredible.......
For those that are reading this and thinking to yourselvelves I wonder what it cost to run a website like this?? I will enclose the stats for a typical month. It takes a pretty big server to dish out all the info that put out into the world and bandwidth cost too.... When the site was smaller and I hosted it in my house keeping the thing running wasn't a problem, now its in California in a hosting farm and I have limited access. I dont have the time that I used to so I often have to contract out code work and development to friends so that we can protect this place from malicious hack attempts and provide something new. It cost over 600 a month in hosting and bandwidth just in reoccurring cost, that doesnt cover the software, hardware changes or upgrades or my time..... (that has to be worth something)..
Time and time and time again the idea to make this place a paid membership site has come around. As appealing as it sounds its not going to happen. Too many of you out there just cant afford a few bucks every month, family and food comes first...... No problem...
What do I need from the folks out there that understand my situation and agree with me? It's simple I just need you to log on to the auction site and give it a whirl, I know it may be scary and new at first but its really easy. Where else could you go and buy and sell from guys that you know and respect and help a cause out in the process? That's it, if you see something that you like bid on it and buy it. If you have something around the house you want to sell, put it up....... The site gets a few bucks from a big sale.... If you disagree Im Okay with that but the sales on the message board will be removed.
I have instructed the moderators to delete all NEW threads that put up on the site that relate to personal or business sales. If you don't like my vision or you feel that I am infringing on your misunderstood freedoms on Hayabusa.org I suggest that you check out Sh.org, Labusas.org, psychobike.com or start your own site.......
Dennis at Sh.org (Dolphin is modding these days), Ducmaniac at Labusas and Frank at Psychobike all have superb websites that are fast, free and open to the public.... Check em out and see if they fit you better.
CAp