I love guns !!!!

[b-dub_sr]

Why does everybody hate guns

 

[b-dub_sr]

One More !!

 

[twotonevert]

LOL, those are pretty good.

 

[fallenarch]

Pretty good but they only present one side. It is a statistical fact that more people are shot by their own guns than criminals. I'm not against guns but I am in favor of common sense.

The second amendment has nothing to do with personal gun ownership. The second amendment addresses the need to have states control the army and to be able to fight off a federal power grab. That's why it says "in a well organized malitia.." All govenors have already given up this 2nd amendment right by giving over their National Guard to federal control - even the most conservative govenors.

However the fact that the constitution does not specifically say that an individual has a right to a gun does not mean that an individual can't own a gun. If you think about the context, in 1776 it would have been crazy to live in the frontier and not have at least one gun. On the other hand the very framers of the constitution supported bans on guns in towns, saloons, and other places where they were more of a threat than source of security.

So gun laws that make carrying guns illegal are not unconstitutional and are just common sense. Requiring identification and registration is no more an infringement of rights than a driver's license. If a government official bans gun ownership, that's not unconstitutional - you need to vote them out.

I don't currently own a gun but I feel that if you want one and are a responsible citizen then there is no reason you shouldn't be able to own one provided you handle it lawfully. But frankly, the irrational behavior of many pro-gun people makes me think maybe I need to have one myself.

 

[Dan]

Pretty good but they only present one side. It is a statistical fact that more people are shot by their own guns than criminals. I'm not against guns but I am in favor of common sense.

The second amendment has nothing to do with personal gun ownership. The second amendment addresses the need to have states control the army and to be able to fight off a federal power grab. That's why it says "in a well organized malitia.." All govenors have already given up this 2nd amendment right by giving over their National Guard to federal control - even the most conservative govenors.

However the fact that the constitution does not specifically say that an individual has a right to a gun does not mean that an individual can't own a gun. If you think about the context, in 1776 it would have been crazy to live in the frontier and not have at least one gun. On the other hand the very framers of the constitution supported bans on guns in towns, saloons, and other places where they were more of a threat than source of security.

So gun laws that make carrying guns illegal are not unconstitutional and are just common sense. Requiring identification and registration is no more an infringement of rights than a driver's license. If a government official bans gun ownership, that's not unconstitutional - you need to vote them out.

I don't currently own a gun but I feel that if you want one and are a responsible citizen then there is no reason you shouldn't be able to own one provided you handle it lawfully. But frankly, the irrational behavior of many pro-gun people makes me think maybe I need to have one myself.

Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[skydivr]

Accepting hardly any much infringement on the right of free citizens to keep and bear arms gives the left wing Brady anti-gun liberal nuts the crack in the door they need to process/legislate guns out of the citizen's hands. We cannot and will not allow Pandora's box to be opened on this Right guaranteed by the Constitution.

 

[fallenarch]

Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

You are taking each sentance in there individually which changes it's meaning. The right of the people to keep and bear arms is within the context of a well organized malitia. This is clearly not addressing individual rights. Further, the constitution explicitly list what it calls inaleinable rights given to citizens at birth, or those that are not to be infringed reguardless of public opinion or federal meddling - guns are not mentioned.

The people truely taking away your right to bear arms are the people who allow a supreme federal army. The goal of the second admendment was to ensure that the firepower stayed under the control of the individual states, not a federal controlled standing army. This both prevented a federal take-over of ruling power and made the risk of falling into the trap of never ending imperial wars less. Your personal gun represents absolutely no security against someone in government taking your freedom, liberal or otherwise.

I know that I'm not in a majority here on this forum on this issue and probably many more. But the truth is I'm not against guns, hunting, or just shooting guns because it's fun and you want to do it. There are a lot of people on the left who love guns as much as people on the right. I do however believe in a community's right to say that we don't want guns in this place or that and not have this erroneous 2nd admendment rights thing be used to prevent them from doing what they see fit with their own community.

I only wish the gun people were more concerned about the fact that the 2nd admendment has already been taken away from us by a military industrial complex that has turned us down the same road all great superpowers have traveled on the way to their decline.

 

[fallenarch]

What? I didn't get any likes on those great and rationally supported posts

Just so you know I have been thinking about getting a gun for a motorcycle trip I'm planning where it's none to friendly to people such as myself. It is amazing how complicated conceal and carry issues are when you are traveling across state lines

 

[skydivr]

While well written, your arguement opens the door for guns to be taken away from the general population. That has been one of the steps of every single communist nation in existence.

 

[fallenarch]

The constitution is an amazingly well concieved and written document. It's most powerful attribute is how it guards against oppressive rule. We should understand it and learn how to use it's power. The government can't do anything the people don't let it do. We have given away this power because we vote based on "who we would like to have a drink with" rather than who will do the job. I don't want anyone I drink with running the country

Frankly, the constitution never anticipated that people would not care who they vote for or even if they vote at all. This has allowed the people who are inside the political system to become way more powerful than our founders ever intended. The fact that you are afraid of having your guns taken away is an indication that government has acheived a control over you the founders never intended them to have. The government should be afraid we the people are goin gto take thier guns away from them.......

 

[twotonevert]

And they wont be if they can take our guns from us first. The government should fear its population, not the other way around. Dont get me wrong, I am not into the conspiracy theories or anything else, but I will stand up for what is right.

 

[jrubio]

I am not afraid of guns as long as I am the only one holding it

 

[mr8ball]

Like others have said I don't have mine to hurt people unless they are trying to hurt me or my family. We all should be able to protect our self when needed.

 

[captain]

I have a new goal!

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Crazyarch your on crack!
I guess you weren't in the country when the supreme court ruled in favor of the second amendment and our individual rights to own guns. At the time the 2nd amendment was written the militia was a group of citizens i.e individuals. It is us, me and you the founding fathers specifiacally intended to own weapons. It was this idea we as citizens own guns to keep our own govt from enslaving us.

'a well regulated militia' translated into todays terms would be a well armed group of citizens. There is no other armed group in this country intended to oppose the govt should it become oppressive. The military is not directed nor intended to oppose the govt we are.

Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Gun Rights, Extending 2nd Amendment to States - WSJ.com

Many millions of United States Citizens believe that the Second Amendment ONLY refers to each State's power to form militias.* This is simply not the case.* The Second Amendment does indeed refer to the right to keep and bear arms as an individual right.

When the Second Amendment was written, there wasn't any National Guard.* The People were the National Guard.* In fact, the National Guard did not exist for another 116 years.

Private Firearm ownership is a guarantee against the breaching or transgression of all the other rights reserved to the People.* Private and free gun ownership is a guard against any possible tyranny or dictatorships.* The Founding Fathers knew what they meant and meant what they wrote.

The Founding Fathers clearly did not believe that limiting lawful access to firearms by law-abiding, honest and upright citizens of good moral character would either diminish crime, nor be constitutional.

When considering ANY legislation that has the slightest hint of curtailing our freedom and liberty, we should closely examine it as if it was taken to the most extreme limit, then treat it accordingly.

"That the people have a Right to mass and to bear arms; that a well regulated militia composed of the Body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper natural and safe defense of a free State..."
George Mason* (1725-1792), drafted the Virginia Declaration of Rights, ally of James Madison and George Washington
Source: Within Mason's declaration of "the essential and unalienable Rights of the People," -- drafted by Thomas Jefferson, George Mason and others, and later adopted by the Virginia ratification convention, 1788

"I ask sir, what is the militia?* It is the whole body of the people except for a few public officials.* To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them..."*
George Mason* (1725-1792), drafted the Virginia Declaration of Rights, ally of James Madison and George Washington

"The great object is that every man be armed.* Everyone who is able may have a gun."**
Patrick Henry

"Are we at least brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in our possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
Patrick Henry, 3 Elliot Debates 168-169.

*

"The militia, who are in fact the effective part of the people at large, will render many troops quite unnecessary. They will form a powerful check upon the regular troops, and will generally be sufficient to over-awe them"
Tench Coxe (1755-1824), An American Citizen IV, October 21, 1787

"Such are a well regulated militia, composed of the freeholders, citizen and husbandman, who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen."
"M.T. Cicero"* 1788

"The right of a citizen to keep and bear arms has justly been considered the palladium of the liberties of the republic, since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
Joseph Story (1779-1845) U.S. Supreme Court Justice 1811-1845. His Dad was one of the Sons of Liberty who took part in the Boston Tea Party and fought at Lexington & Concord in 1775.* The above quote was from 1833

I could go on and on. Above are the words of founding fathers, patriots and historians. I'll take their word for it over yours.

And lastly CrazyArch I challenge you to post a link to an unbiased non liberal study that shows me I'm more likely to be killed by my own gun than use it in lawful self defense.

 

[m_ridgeway]

Theres a good 2nd amendment pic thread on here somewhere. Got pages of pics me and others put up

 

[superbeagle]

Too Funny!

 

[Big Bo]

My gun said hi to me today. We have a date tomorrow.

 

[VIPER]

You will have to pry my guns from my dead cold rigid hands. You will not take my guns from me without a fight.

 

[b-dub_sr]

You will have to pry my guns from my dead cold rigid hands. You will not take my guns from me without a fight.

Here you go viper !!