Guess what folks? Bend over, spread your cheaks, It's Coming! :-)

And why does any of the health care mess surprise anybody. What did ya think was going to happen when people got free health care? Who was going to pay for it? Not the people without jobs!!! All this mess is being forced on the backs of the hard working motivated people who make this country go. And why the hell don't we ever hear about running out of money for welfare?!?!?!???? Social security was paid for until the fund was robbed!
 
Don't worry, Hillary will save us :banghead:

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Just on your point about why the dollar is stronger now than the Euro, it has nothing to do with Obama or even us as a nation. It has everything to do with the fact the U.S. Dollar is the world standard currency by which all things are measured and the fact the euro is plummeting across Europe. Greece is flat broke and simply intends to print more euros. Don't worry, spend em if you got em, we'll just print more. This mindset is causing the Euro's value to fall tremendously which is falsely making our currency appear stronger.

Most things have nothing to do with Obama, the Affordable Care Act was drawn up under the leadership of Ted Kennedy.

The strength of the Dollar has EVERYTHING to do with us as a nation. If our ducks really start falling out of the line, the US Dollar would no longer be in demand and no longer be recognized as the world standard currency. In fact, it was under pressure to lose its status a few times under the Bush administration.

We, (The US) have our share of bankrupt states, and cities. Detroit. The State of California, several times the size of Greece, bigger than the economy of Russia is under constant threat of bancrupcy. City of Stockton ....... The latest is one of biggest possesions, Puerto Rico.

Anyways, we are digressing from the original subject.

Obamacare is a bit socialistic, but it has plusses and minusses. More people are being treated properly today, because insurance companies can no longer dump the sick and take money from the healthy, so it costs more and the rates are going up. Also, in the past insurance companies were under no obligation to publically publish their rate hikes, so if this happened in the past, the OP would not even have known about it. Obamacare does not follow capitalist ways of survival of the fittest, which is sad in a way. However, no one I know here on the board are part of the wealth that belongs to less than 2% of our population, so it is a very deep debatable subject.

Anyway, I am in the camp of those who take care of their stuff. My 09 Busa is still in brand new condition, no-one will touch it or service it but me. I treat my body the same way, by being a competitive athlete, following a careful diet. Health is a choice everyone makes, I can't even remember the last time I needed medical care or medicine. So, in short I really believe in survival of the fittest and have little to no interest in health care.
 
Don't worry, Hillary will save us :banghead:

That was really funny. :rofl:

Enjoy the freedom you have here in this country and appreciate it. Posting something similar in some countries, you may just dissappear with no-one knowing what happened to you.
 
That was really funny. :rofl:

Enjoy the freedom you have here in this country and appreciate it. Posting something similar in some countries, you may just dissappear with no-one knowing what happened to you.

With the Clinton ' s history, you're talking about Arkansas, correct?
 
With the Clinton ' s history, you're talking about Arkansas, correct?

Nope. Arkansas is a great state and I like Huckabee. Lived there for 5 years, some nice road and dirt bike rides!

Talking about Russia or just about any country in the Middle East.
 
Jelly, there are two reasons why the dollar is strong and the stock market looks so good.

1. The dollar looks good because, as bad a shape as we are in, we are still in better shape than anybody else in the rest of the world. Their Socialist policies caught up with them before ours have (but we are doing our dead-level best to be JUST LIKE THEM)...

2. The stock market is at 17K because of all the free money (free to the borrower, but not to the lender - your children) the Fed has thrown into the market - and it's got to go somewhere, so it's being gambled on the stock market. Watch out; they powers at be are gambling that it will 'jump start" (hasn't worked yet) the economy BEFORE the market crashes with all the false gains...
 
Jelly, there are two reasons why the dollar is strong and the stock market looks so good.

1. The dollar looks good because, as bad a shape as we are in, we are still in better shape than anybody else in the rest of the world. Their Socialist policies caught up with them before ours have (but we are doing our dead-level best to be JUST LIKE THEM)...

2. The stock market is at 17K because of all the free money (free to the borrower, but not to the lender - your children) the Fed has thrown into the market - and it's got to go somewhere, so it's being gambled on the stock market. Watch out; they powers at be are gambling that it will 'jump start" (hasn't worked yet) the economy BEFORE the market crashes with all the false gains...

1.) Yes, agree we are a decent house in a bad neigborhood. Without the debt running up our house would have been in pretty bad shape though, one of the bad ones in the neigborhood.

2.) Yes, this is the longest ever that money has been almost free, to try and get the economy going. The hope is that once the economy is at a certain level (believe it or not, but the US is doing pretty good right now) to increase interest rates back to normal and start reducing the deficit. It is going to take a decade and leaves the new president with quite a challenge. The taxes we pay are light compared to other countries, but just imagine what you would have said if Obama dared raise that? In the end, we may all have to pull in our belts a bit. Serving our debt is not an issue, so although it looks bad, we are managing the interst payments still pretty comfortably. Derivitaves are gambling, the Stock Market is not gambling. Nothing wrong with investing in a business by purchasing shares. The latter is not to difficult to make money with moderate risk, even in a down market. The former, being derivatives, you need to really know what you are doing and yes that is gambling.
 
1.) Yes, agree we are a decent house in a bad neigborhood. Without the debt running up our house would have been in pretty bad shape though, one of the bad ones in the neigborhood.

2.) Yes, this is the longest ever that money has been almost free, to try and get the economy going. The hope is that once the economy is at a certain level (believe it or not, but the US is doing pretty good right now) to increase interest rates back to normal and start reducing the deficit. It is going to take a decade and leaves the new president with quite a challenge. The taxes we pay are light compared to other countries, but just imagine what you would have said if Obama dared raise that? In the end, we may all have to pull in our belts a bit. Serving our debt is not an issue, so although it looks bad, we are managing the interst payments still pretty comfortably. Derivitaves are gambling, the Stock Market is not gambling. Nothing wrong with investing in a business by purchasing shares. The latter is not to difficult to make money with moderate risk, even in a down market. The former, being derivatives, you need to really know what you are doing and yes that is gambling.

Who do you figure it going to be tightening their belts...the minority who pays into the system, or the majority who take out of it....
 
Jelly, there are two reasons why the dollar is strong and the stock market looks so good.

1. The dollar looks good because, as bad a shape as we are in, we are still in better shape than anybody else in the rest of the world. Their Socialist policies caught up with them before ours have (but we are doing our dead-level best to be JUST LIKE THEM)...

2. The stock market is at 17K because of all the free money (free to the borrower, but not to the lender - your children) the Fed has thrown into the market - and it's got to go somewhere, so it's being gambled on the stock market. Watch out; they powers at be are gambling that it will 'jump start" (hasn't worked yet) the economy BEFORE the market crashes with all the false gains...

#2) it's called "*Quantitative Easing"
 
I just want to make sure you do understand that Ted Kennedy's plan was very similar to Romney's...voluntary. Big diff. Over time, enough people would enter that hc market and drive costs down. Forcing everyone to have hc, then fining them when they couldn't afford it in the first place is rediculous.
True gauge of economy is how many in the workforce...fulltime. We are not even close to a "good" economy.
Stock market is highest it has ever been because noone is buying houses! Rich peeps gotts put there money somewhere. Usually it is real estate, small businesses, airplanes, and show cars. Real estate, airplanes , and cars are in a rut, soooo stocks it is. Watch this cycle. Happens every time other assets tank.and few are venturing in the small biz realm because of the Obamacare sword. Really. Greedy rich folks aren't gonna run at a loss.
The debt. Krist. Doesn't worry you? You say we are paying the interest just fine. Holy chit dude. You don't have 10 credit cards maxxed out do you? It scares the livin chit outta me. Our grandkids will never pay that off. And don't get me started on China. If they sell all of there US stocks ($), we are done. Last number. I read was they own about 5% of our GDP. Fukc.
Can't we all just talk about bikes and chicks on here?!
Troy
Btw, some on here ARE 2%ers...
 
I happened to have a conversation with a friend of 20 years from when we both lived in Cali. He is still there. Small business owner of 20 years. Did well for years. He is now about broke. Ca. taxes, insurance cost, were giving him a 1,2 punch. ObamaCare delivered his knock-out punch. He has reached the "eff it" stage and is cashing out.
 
The Consumer.

True, they will too, but I am pretty sure he is referring to taxation. It is noble to want everyone in America to have free hc and welfare, but it is being abused severely. Nobody wants to get off welfare, and the free hc is not free. The hardest working are paying for those that don't work, or work at a minimum wage level.
Talk to friends and relatives in other countries where they have free hc (uk, ca) and ask them how it really goes for them. Ask them what they pay for tax. U mentioned that we pay some of the lowest taxes in the world. True, but wait until Obamacare is in full effect. We will be paying nearly half our hard earned money to uncle sam.
Sure is funny how the left can't see our side, and I cannot believe what the left believes about King Obama. I guess it is not possible to change our political views. Never had this problem until Kerry ran actually. Didn't like Clinton, but just dealt with him.
Question. And not because I am trying to be an azz. Is anyone paying less for hc now? Ok, maybe not less, but with the exception on the standard 3% increase? I pay $700/mo for family plan. Used to pay $400 5 years ago. Anyone saving the $1600 a year king obama claims?
Troy
 
Since I participate in a small business, I'll offer these facts: Last year, our premium went up 29%; this year, BC/BS of TN is announcing a 30% increase (they won't get it, but they are trying)...

when your cost of healthcare is almost $500K a year, and it's going to go up to $625K, where does this money come from? It does not grow on trees - it has to be EARNED. That amount right there could be the difference in RED ink or GREEN ink - and yet the company is supposed to pay it right off...Too bad I don't have a printer in my office like the government does that just prints money...
 
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Get over it, he was elected by the majority and is your President whether you like him or not.

The real problem in this country is a total lack of respect for leadership and authority, no discipline and a life which has become so easy compared to other parts of the globe, that it is totally taken for granted.
Ahem.

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