Goodbye to the USA

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In 1787 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."

It doesn't hurt to read this several times.
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the last Presidential election:
Number of States won by:
Obama: 19 Romney: 29
Square miles of land won by:
Obama: 580,000 Romney: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by:
Obama:127 million Romney: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Obama: 13.2 Romney: 2.1
Professor Olson adds:
"In aggregate, the map of the territory Romney won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal’s - and they vote - then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than six years.

If you are in favor of the decline of America, then by all means, do nothing.
If you are not, then pass this message along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

















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yea Obama is the low income high crime president. I'm still amazed to this day how many ppl were duped by the least qualified person in history to run for president yet ppl still voted for him. POTUS has become a popularity contest vs. the most qualified person contest smh....! and his foreign policy... don't even get me started on that. and now america is gonna elect hillary clinton who is about as clueless as he is. ur right we are doomed!
 
You are talking about a point of no return, and I do agree that we are getting dangerously close. I also believe there is a way out, and it is possible to avoid the scenario you described. All details can be found in my book "Killing America Slowly" posted right here in this separate thread.
 
The U.S is not a true democracy.
The president is a puppet, there is a behind the scenes group pushing their own agenda. Obama just happened to be the perfect front man for the job.
I am hopeful, and I am optimistic.
I am for GOD, The God, not this Alah nonsense(kill all who oppose you bs), I am for the America many of us knew, the one that U.S and Allied WWII vets fought for.
I am for our military.
I am not for our government in any way. It is made up of criminals who are for themselves and their supporters. Any decent people in office are either corrupted, or pushed down by the majority, the corrupt.
I do not see the situation improving, only becoming worse. Unfortunately there really does become a point of no return. In the meantime, it's just a government façade, a public juggling act.
Here is the current Pledge of Aligience.
I pledge aligience to the flag, of the United States of America.
And to the republic, for which it STOOD, one nation, under GOD,
now divided, with liberty and justice for some.
In no way am I anti-American either, rather I am firmly against what has been done to our once great nation.
How do you defeat or destroy such a great nation? One with such a great military and supporting public, with countless men and women in and out of uniform that have and will die to defend it.
Simple...from the inside.
We are watching the demise of our nation. A global restructuring is in progress. Hard times are ahead.
Be grateful for each day.
 
I'll keep hope alive for our Republic, but there's gonna need to be some fundamental changes.
 
I'll keep hope alive for our Republic, but there's gonna need to be some fundamental changes.

+1. Exactly!

Sixpack, yes our country is being destroyed from the inside! The solution is here (see post #3 above). Sitting and waiting will accomplish nothing.
 
+1. Exactly!

Sixpack, yes our country is being destroyed from the inside! The solution is here (see post #3 above). Sitting and waiting will accomplish nothing.

I don't doubt that there is a solution, only that one can be implemented in time.:beerchug:
 
yea Obama is the low income high crime president. I'm still amazed to this day how many ppl were duped by the least qualified person in history to run for president yet ppl still voted for him. POTUS has become a popularity contest vs. the most qualified person contest smh....! and his foreign policy... don't even get me started on that. and now america is gonna elect hillary clinton who is about as clueless as he is. ur right we are doomed!

I didn't mind so much because I figured after seeing themselves being duped yet again by the 2 party system, they'd know better the next time around.

Instead, what I see are a lot of people saying that Obama is too far to the right, in fact he's basically a republican and hasn't gone far enough. That's why things aren't working. We need even more socialism!
 
I am for GOD, The God, not this Alah nonsense(kill all who oppose you bs)


Keep in mind that through much of christianity's history, killing in the name of god was common place. They just haven't evolved out of that stage yet.

That said, I don't know if they will - their religion isn't just about faith, it's about how to live life, as well as laws to live by. Much harder to break free from it.
 
Keep in mind that through much of christianity's history, killing in the name of god was common place. They just haven't evolved out of that stage yet.

That said, I don't know if they will - their religion isn't just about faith, it's about how to live life, as well as laws to live by. Much harder to break free from it.

Sin and corruption are everywhere, they always have been. The Christian church is no exception, even though that is not, and never was, what it stands for.
I am for living in peace with others. We all have free will, even those of us without freedom.
The Muslim faith teaches that all must be converted to Islam...or killed. The Bible does not teach to kill your enemies because they don't share your belifes. Christianity "evolved" away from the Church having supreme power along with extreme corruption(not to say it's all gone today either). Islam however cannot "evolve" away from that because it is what they are taught by the Koran.
So, if you're a muslim, and peaceful, you're either a hypocrite or a liar. How can you pick and chose the teachings of a book you are supposed to belive and follow strictly and completely? You can't. It's all or nothing. Why waste your life praying 5 times a day and following set guidelines, only to fail by not converting or killing your enemies?
Sure there is a large percentage of muslims that live their lives peacefully and don't bother others; but my trust and many others trust in them is long gone. Even if only because of a small percentage of extremists.
The Koran teaches for Islam to conquer the world. They are doing a pretty good job of it too. It is ok to get prayer breaks at work and wear what your religion says you must, even if it opposes a companies dress code or uniform. Muslims do not have to conform to many of the rules and regulations that the Christians, Jews, Athiests, and everyone else must either.
Hitler and Communists had their run at conquering the world in the not so distant past, and nearly succeeded. Now Islam is getting close. It is over running Europe and the U.S. Has been for decades, and an inside job. Slowly biding their time and infiltrating governments. A 50 year plan to do so was put in place by Islamic leaders, well, nearly 50 years ago. Seems to be working well for them.
Meanwhile, the blind majority in Europe and the U.S sit back and ignore it or are oblivious to it.
These are my belifes and opinions, nothing will change that.
I am simply stating them. I am not and do not have to try to convince anyone.
Sit back and watch.
 
The U.S is not a true democracy.
The president is a puppet, there is a behind the scenes group pushing their own agenda. Obama just happened to be the perfect front man for the job.
I am hopeful, and I am optimistic.
I am for GOD, The God, not this Alah nonsense(kill all who oppose you bs), I am for the America many of us knew, the one that U.S and Allied WWII vets fought for.
I am for our military.
I am not for our government in any way. It is made up of criminals who are for themselves and their supporters. Any decent people in office are either corrupted, or pushed down by the majority, the corrupt.
I do not see the situation improving, only becoming worse. Unfortunately there really does become a point of no return. In the meantime, it's just a government façade, a public juggling act.
Here is the current Pledge of Aligience.
I pledge aligience to the flag, of the United States of America.
And to the republic, for which it STOOD, one nation, under GOD,
now divided, with liberty and justice for some.
In no way am I anti-American either, rather I am firmly against what has been done to our once great nation.
How do you defeat or destroy such a great nation? One with such a great military and supporting public, with countless men and women in and out of uniform that have and will die to defend it.
Simple...from the inside.
We are watching the demise of our nation. A global restructuring is in progress. Hard times are ahead.
Be grateful for each day.

You must've graduated with honors from answering-islam because it sure shows in your post. You did get one thing right though and that is the fact our presidents have been used merely as puppets for quite some time now. Unfortunately for you, it's going to take more than bringing up "GOD" or "this Alah nonsense" to fix America's problems.
 
You must've graduated with honors from answering-islam because it sure shows in your post. You did get one thing right though and that is the fact our presidents have been used merely as puppets for quite some time now. Unfortunately for you, it's going to take more than bringing up "GOD" or "this Alah nonsense" to fix America's problems.

Nothing "unfortunate" for me.
My belifes and opinions are my own, as are yours.
 
One thing holds true.... When it get's bad enough that there isn't anymore money for the social programs we will really see where people turn, what will they do... When the money runs out, will churches take care of people as they should? Will neighbors stand with neighbors? People will either work for food or go hungry, cell phones and all those things that people have that are considered "necessary" now will be a thing of the past, people will redefine what necessary really is..

Of course this is all my opinion but I do believe that we are headed that way..

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One thing holds true.... When it get's bad enough that there isn't anymore money for the social programs we will really see where people turn, what will they do... When the money runs out, will churches take care of people as they should? Will neighbors stand with neighbors? People will either work for food or go hungry, cell phones and all those things that people have that are considered "necessary" now will be a thing of the past, people will redefine what necessary really is..

Of course this is all my opinion but I do believe that we are headed that way..

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Isn't any more money ???

There is one of the problems. First of all, they will raise taxes. Second they can print more money.


What I really can't understand is WHY the people in power CAN'T see or refuse to see what works and what doesn't.
Greed probably plays a big part in many of their decisions, unfortunately.

What's sad is that they make bad decisions and then realize that they were bad decisions and then almost never revert or change
the law they voted into existence. That and when they see something that works over there - they're like well that wasn't our idea so we are not
going to embrace it even though it works for them it's not the same for us. :banghead: IL vs OK is an example.

I wonder if the people in power think that a revolution can't happen so they can do what ever they want.
Sometimes I think that might be the only way to correct some of the issues that plague us as a nation.

Government for the people seems to be a foreign concept to those in office. What can I get for myself? is there theme song,
at least that's how I feel.
 
Isn't any more money ???

There is one of the problems. First of all, they will raise taxes. Second they can print more money.


What I really can't understand is WHY the people in power CAN'T see or refuse to see what works and what doesn't.
Greed probably plays a big part in many of their decisions, unfortunately.

What's sad is that they make bad decisions and then realize that they were bad decisions and then almost never revert or change
the law they voted into existence. That and when they see something that works over there - they're like well that wasn't our idea so we are not
going to embrace it even though it works for them it's not the same for us. :banghead: IL vs OK is an example.

I wonder if the people in power think that a revolution can't happen so they can do what ever they want.
Sometimes I think that might be the only way to correct some of the issues that plague us as a nation.

Government for the people seems to be a foreign concept to those in office. What can I get for myself? is there theme song,
at least that's how I feel.

At some point, the value of money just won't buy the things it used to, you can only run that game so long. If consumers are broke then companies dont sell products, if companies dont sell products then people lose jobs, its a vicious cycle that we have seen over and over. At some point there just isnt enough people left to tax to support the system.. then people will have to make choices..
 
The system only lasts if money comes to people 'honestly'; i.e. a value for someone's labors/talents, etc. When money comes 'dishonestly', either via theft (by person, government or corporation) or by messing with the money supply too much - the system will fail. We have waay too many people in charge getting it 'dishonstly' to the chagrin of those who are contibuting.

As far as Religon: Religon (for the most part) normally provides a moral framework for a civil society - family, and a reason to 'behave' in this life (as many believe this effects the 'afterlife'). When people have a REASON to live, this life has more value to them and therefore it's in their best interest to help make things 'work'. When people lose a reason to live (and there are soooo many examples of how human life means so little to so many), the very fabric of a society shreds - with obvious consequences.

I fear we are getting close to a tipping point and I believe that there are those out there who are deliberately pushing it in that direction....
 
The House, Senate, and all the way up to the President is nothing more than a public circus.
What once worked to run this nation is long since a thing of the past. It's only in recent years that the damage is catching up.
The ship is sinking. Don't think that the government doesn't know that either. They just think that they won't be directly affected like the general public will.
Do you really think that this is only the result of years of mismanagement? Nope.
This is the result of an inside job to tear down the America we once new, and to rebuild it as the "Powers that be" would have it.
They let the clowns in D.C do as they wish in the process, as that only helped their cause.
Nations rise and nations fall. Rome could never fall either, or so it was thought.
I have posted before, do some reading and you'll find some interesting facts.
One very interesting in particular. There are 7, yes 7, levels of security clearance above the presidents head. The U.S president is supposedly the "Most powerful man in the world"...:rofl: He's on strings too, make no mistake about it. I can understand that with a publicly elected official serving only 4 to 8 years, it may not be in the country's best interest to tell him everything; But 7 levels over his head.
That in itself says that someone else is calling the shots, as well as allowing him to make or not to make the decisions he does.
You only need to read a middle school text book and you'll see that we do not live in a true democracy.
Go back a dozen years or so, now who here belives our country would be in the shape it's in? Only a handful.
Now today, so many are still thinking we're going to wake up tomorrow and it's all going to be better.
It's not. I wish it were.
It's not just the U.S either, it's global. And even if it was only here, let America get really bad off and watch it quickly trickle down everywhere else in the world.
The Dollar is based against the Gold Standard, and guess what every other currency in the world is based against? Uh, the Dollar. Keep printing money Washington, that'll surely save us.
The government knows the ship is sinking, they're just trying to appease the people in the meantime. Fortunately for them, the majority is clueless or could just care less.
For all of us that do care, it's falling on deaf ears.
I have said before that I am for this Nation. However, there comes a point of no return, and it's close, if not already passed. How long can it keep going? Too many people just don't want to face the truth. And those that do can't seem to get the government to change before it's too late. Hmmm, I wonder why? Could it be that Washington doesn't want to admit what so many of us already know. The gigs up.
And what are we going to do? Revolt? Go to the capital with torches and pitchforks and take back our country? Yeah right, if only it were that easy.
Keep debating, keep thinking this is conspiracy nonsense. It'll be an "I told you so" that none of us ever want to say.
I thank God for the great America I grew up in, and each and every day.
I just wonder how long until the bubble bursts.
 
Go to the capital with torches and pitchforks and take back our country?


But if 3000 people from each state appeared in Washington and could over power the SS and Military
and storm the white house and demand change in writing - that might be the closest thing to what is in quotes above.

Things will have to get a lot worse before something like that will happen - probably not in my lifetime?

How about demanding a new law that states that anything that is passed to benefit Senate or Congressmen only
(like a pay raise or time off etc) is grounds for immediate removal from office with no benefits or pay from that time on.

Also any law passed effects everyone including them, No special privileges or exemptions to or for them, in any way shape or form.
Even better is, no grandfather law for them, so take away any special privileges they now have.
 
Personally I don't think that showing up with pitch forks would do anything simply because those people in Washington are leading people that want to keep taking... Until you change the hearts of people you won't change the problem. I remember my grandmother telling me about my grandfather in the great depression being embarrassed about having to stand in a soup line. He worked from sun up to sun down for a nickel and did everything he could possibly do but was so humiliated that he could not provide for his family... Compare that story to what we have today... Change the hearts you change the country...
 
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