ECUnleashed vs ECU Editor?

[Tufbusa]

Can anyone give a discriptive comparison of the ECUnleashed and the ECU Editor? For instance, what one does that the other one does not along with any other advantages one may have over the other.

I'm not interested in drag racing applications, more on the road racing side!

I thank you for any information and experience you may have.

SteveO

 

[hayabusapower]

Good question

 

[sixpack577]

So far it seems that ecu unleashed can do many cars and bikes, where as ecu editor is Busa, B-King, Gsxr specific.
I have yet to hear or read differently.
I also think you'de like the extra umph you get from having the restrictions removed.

 

[Tufbusa]

So far it seems that ecu unleashed can do many cars and bikes, where as ecu editor is Busa, B-King, Gsxr specific.
I have yet to hear or read differently.
I also think you'de like the extra umph you get from having the restrictions removed.

I think you may be right. I've been reading up on both and thus far it seems there is little difference in what they do. The ECUnleashed seems to be more expensive. I'm interested in which one would be the best bang for the buck.

 

[sixpack577]

I think you may be right. I've been reading up on both and thus far it seems there is little difference in what they do. The ECUnleashed seems to be more expensive. I'm interested in which one would be the best bang for the buck.

You're a Suzuki guy, spend $200 on ecu editor and you have a plug and play unit ready to go.
I know little about the ecu unleashed, but it seems alot more involved to get going since it applies to so many vehicles.
I just removed the restrictions from another members Busa, and he's happy(5th Busa I've done).
He had it back in a week from the day he sent it to me.
I'll turn yours off if you like. If not, that's cool I understand. Just an offer.
I think you'de be happy owning the ecu editor yourself anyway.

 

[POWERHOUSE]

Ecu Unleashed flashes are more complex than what you can do with Ecu Editor. With Ecu Unleashed, you can get involved with injector phasing and deceleration mapping, and also take advantage of some of the ignition mapping that has been developed on the dyno. However, with Ecu Editor, you can do a lot of the same things that the Unleashed option gives you, and take advantage of a lot of other features, like air shift kill, nitrous control, boost-referencing, etc. POWERHOUSE MOTORCYCLES is an Ecu Unleashed tuning center, and we also use Ecu Editor almost every day. As far as the Busa is concerned, I consider Ecu Editor the better choice, since it is less expensive and gives you the ability do to a lot more on your own . . . As far as all the other bikes are concerned, I consider Ecu Unleashed the better choice.

 

[Tufbusa]

Ecu Unleashed flashes are more complex than what you can do with Ecu Editor. With Ecu Unleashed, you can get involved with injector phasing and deceleration mapping, and also take advantage of some of the ignition mapping that has been developed on the dyno. However, with Ecu Editor, you can do a lot of the same things that the Unleashed option gives you, and take advantage of a lot of other features, like air shift kill, nitrous control, boost-referencing, etc. POWERHOUSE MOTORCYCLES is an Ecu Unleashed tuning center, and we also use Ecu Editor almost every day. As far as the Busa is concerned, I consider Ecu Editor the better choice, since it is less expensive and gives you the ability do to a lot more on your own . . . As far as all the other bikes are concerned, I consider Ecu Unleashed the better choice.

Thank you so much for the tune up. I am more interested in the gsxr 1000-750 & 600 than the busa. Since you are well aquainted with both units could you make is simple for us everyday fellas by listing the things the ECUnleashed will do that the ECU Editor will not?

Also, could you give an itemized break down of the basic costs involved if I brought my gixxer to you for a tune using both ECUnleashed and ECU Editor?

And, what is your recommendation as to adding a PC to either tune?

I'd be forever grateful and I'm sure there are others who would appreciate your time as well.

Thanks a bunch!
SteveO

 

[POWERHOUSE]

Thank you so much for the tune up. I am more interested in the gsxr 1000-750 & 600 than the busa. Since you are well aquainted with both units could you make is simple for us everyday fellas by listing the things the ECUnleashed will do that the ECU Editor will not?

Also, could you give an itemized break down of the basic costs involved if I brought my gixxer to you for a tune using both ECUnleashed and ECU Editor?

And, what is your recommendation as to adding a PC to either tune?

I'd be forever grateful and I'm sure there are others who would appreciate your time as well.

Thanks a bunch!
SteveO

SteveO - as much as I would like to say that Ecu Unleashed is better for the Busa than Ecu editor, I just cannot. The only real difference I see is that Ecu Unleashed is able to modify what we call "on/off" mapping, and this is something that is more important to roadracers than streetracers. When roadracers "chop" throttle to go into a turn, on most bikes it shuts down the injectors; then, when they roll the throttle back on, the effect of "loading" the bike creates an instability. You could picture it as the bike nose-diving a bit, and then rocking back on the rear suspension. When we modify the deceleration maps using Ecu Unleashed, it does not allow the injectors to shut down, and this whole process is smoother and more stable. We find the roadracers making faster lap times with the same hp. Because I don't see this particular aspect of ecu mapping as a Busa necessity, I think the Ecu Unleashed option - which is more expensive - is not a good option for Busas. For every other bike out there, Ecu Unleashed is the way to go.

IMO, it is beneficial to add a powercommander - or any other "secondary" fuel box - to the equation. By "fine tuning" the fuel mapping, you only stand to get even more out of the bike. Take a look at this thread, and you will see what I mean: https://www.hayabusa.org/forum/general-bike-related-topics/160768-ecu-unleashed-2009-yamaha-r1.html

As far as the gixxer is concerned, Ecu Editor only works on 2007 and newer. Also, the Ecu Editor software is limited for the gixxers, and does not have all the bells and whistles available to the Busas. If I know what year your gixxer is, I can tell you what features are available through Ecu Editor. Ecu Editor flashing at POWERHOUSE is $60. and Ecu Unleashed tune files are $450, quite a difference. Please keep in mind that we have a guarantee with Ecu Unleashed - if, for some reason you do not like the tune, we will reflash your ecu back to stock and refund your money. We have not yet had to do this with anyone.

 

[Tufbusa]

Thank you so much for the info. Exactly what I was looking for. Good Stuff!

I have both 07 & 08 Gixxer1K's so anything additional you could add would also be appreciated.

I totally understand about shutting down the injectors when the throttle is closed. However, us road race guys can eliminate much of this issue by raising the idle speed up so the injectors cannot be completely shut off. Our race bikes have an idle speed of 2500 rpm. Makes a huge difference when going from a closed throttle to adding a small amount of throttle during full lean.

I thank you again for your input. It appears the most cost effective means of reaching the goals desired is ECU Editor!

 

[POWERHOUSE]

Thank you so much for the info. Exactly what I was looking for. Good Stuff!

I have both 07 & 08 Gixxer1K's so anything additional you could add would also be appreciated.

I totally understand about shutting down the injectors when the throttle is closed. However, us road race guys can eliminate much of this issue by raising the idle speed up so the injectors cannot be completely shut off. Our race bikes have an idle speed of 2500 rpm. Makes a huge difference when going from a closed throttle to adding a small amount of throttle during full lean.

I thank you again for your input. It appears the most cost effective means of reaching the goals desired is ECU Editor!

Raising the idle speed - usually for roadracers - is one of the options when getting an Unleashed flash. And yes, I agree that the most cost effective means of derestricting the Busa is Ecu Editor. For everything else out there, I would go with an Ecu Unleashed flash.

 

[AsleepAtTheTree]

You're a Suzuki guy, spend $200 on ecu editor and you have a plug and play unit ready to go.
I know little about the ecu unleashed, but it seems alot more involved to get going since it applies to so many vehicles.
I just removed the restrictions from another members Busa, and he's happy(5th Busa I've done).
He had it back in a week from the day he sent it to me.
I'll turn yours off if you like. If not, that's cool I understand. Just an offer.
I think you'de be happy owning the ecu editor yourself anyway.

How hard is it to use ecu editor?
Where did u learn to use it?
Would ecu editor work with a turbo

 

[white.Busa]

SteveO - as much as I would like to say that Ecu Unleashed is better for the Busa than Ecu editor, I just cannot. The only real difference I see is that Ecu Unleashed is able to modify what we call "on/off" mapping, and this is something that is more important to roadracers than streetracers. When roadracers "chop" throttle to go into a turn, on most bikes it shuts down the injectors; then, when they roll the throttle back on, the effect of "loading" the bike creates an instability. You could picture it as the bike nose-diving a bit, and then rocking back on the rear suspension. When we modify the deceleration maps using Ecu Unleashed, it does not allow the injectors to shut down, and this whole process is smoother and more stable. We find the roadracers making faster lap times with the same hp. Because I don't see this particular aspect of ecu mapping as a Busa necessity, I think the Ecu Unleashed option - which is more expensive - is not a good option for Busas. For every other bike out there, Ecu Unleashed is the way to go.

IMO, it is beneficial to add a powercommander - or any other "secondary" fuel box - to the equation. By "fine tuning" the fuel mapping, you only stand to get even more out of the bike. Take a look at this thread, and you will see what I mean: Ecu unleashed - 2009 yamaha r1 | General Bike Related Topics

As far as the gixxer is concerned, Ecu Editor only works on 2007 and newer. Also, the Ecu Editor software is limited for the gixxers, and does not have all the bells and whistles available to the Busas. If I know what year your gixxer is, I can tell you what features are available through Ecu Editor. Ecu Editor flashing at POWERHOUSE is $60. and Ecu Unleashed tune files are $450, quite a difference. Please keep in mind that we have a guarantee with Ecu Unleashed - if, for some reason you do not like the tune, we will reflash your ecu back to stock and refund your money. We have not yet had to do this with anyone.

These are the changes made by the specialist in the ecu.
I'm sorry if there are errors in translating from Greek into English.
Ηas also interfered with the injectors during the deceleration for a smoother response to the throttle.
This means it has done Ecu Unleashed or not?


- I lowered the switching-off temperature of the blower to 100 activation, 95 activation. It was +5 points
- Deactivation of the oxygen enrichment operation on the engine output, the so-called pair valve
- Turn off the factory-installed lambda sensor
- Activate the injectors function during deceleration. It lowers the engine brake, but keeps it cool and improves the throttle response
- remove top speed limits
- RPM limits at 11,200
- Small modification of map of second butterflies for map A on 2nd and 3rd for better acceleration at end load.
- Removing a reduced performance limit at the first two speeds from the ignition map. All the speeds now use the most cost-efficient ignition map
- Changing the map ignition to increase performance at the end load, but also at the unladen points for lowering temperatures
- Complete modification of the main fuel map for the needs of the particular motorcycle, with the filter exhaust stack and engine

 

[sixpack577]

How hard is it to use ecu editor?
Where did u learn to use it?
Would ecu editor work with a turbo

Ecu Editor is very simple in terms of making basic changes. Which is why you can have a flash done by mail.
For Anything that requires air/fuel tuning, that Must be done on a dyno, or with an autotune. Anything else is just guessing, and asking to ruin an engine, especially a turbo, where the tune is more involved than a naturally aspirated engine.
The tuners here also say that is easier to flash the ecu, then use a power commander for the air/fuel.
I am Not a dyno tuner, and have no experience using them.

 

[POWERHOUSE]

The tuners here also say that is easier to flash the ecu, then use a power commander for the air/fuel.

Actually, the opposite is true. It is easier to build a precise fuel map with a powercommander than it is to try to build one through an ecu. And it takes WAY less time . . .

 

[sixpack577]

Actually, the opposite is true. It is easier to build a precise fuel map with a powercommander than it is to try to build one through an ecu. And it takes WAY less time . . .

...uh...that's exactly what my post says

"flashing the ecu" meaning basic changes.
Then I point out using a PC for the A/F.

 

[POWERHOUSE]

I guess I misread "easier to flash the ecu" in regard to fueling. Sorry ! Carry on . . .

 

[sixpack577]

I guess I misread "easier to flash the ecu" in regard to fueling. Sorry ! Carry on . . .

lol, not a problem, I try hard not to spread bad info.

 

[AsleepAtTheTree]

Actually, the opposite is true. It is easier to build a precise fuel map with a powercommander than it is to try to build one through an ecu. And it takes WAY less time . . .

Actually, the opposite is true. It is easier to build a precise fuel map with a powercommander than it is to try to build one through an ecu. And it takes WAY less time . . .

Why is that?

Couldn't u make the same changes to the ecu as with a power commander?

What exactly does the power commander have in advantage to tuning afr from ecu editor?

The way I see it, and I'm nobody special, if that be it the case then ecu editor would be kinda worthless compared to price if all its best at is jus derestricting and takes yet anouther box to get best results?

It wouldnt make sense for anyone to own ecu editor unless u tune for a living, be it the case?

I'm jus looking for a full picture here!!!
Interesting stuff!!!

 

[POWERHOUSE]

Why is that?

Couldn't u make the same changes to the ecu as with a power commander?

What exactly does the power commander have in advantage to tuning afr from ecu editor?

The way I see it, and I'm nobody special, if that be it the case then ecu editor would be kinda worthless compared to price if all its best at is jus derestricting and takes yet anouther box to get best results?

It wouldnt make sense for anyone to own ecu editor unless u tune for a living, be it the case?

I'm jus looking for a full picture here!!!
Interesting stuff!!!

No it is not the same, it is WAY not the same. A powercommander is quicker and more precise, hands down. We use the ecu to derestrict - disable the top speed limiter, raise rev limits, make timing changes, etc. If you want to spend 6+ hours in the dyno room trying to fuel tune an ecu, have at it. Changing, flashing, changing, flashing, changing, flashing, on and on and on. Very time consuming, to say the least. And when your done, your afr line is still not straight. I can fully tune a Busa in less than one hour on the dyno with a PC, and end up with a perfect tune. So when you are talking ecus and pcs in the same context, you have to realize they are two different things, both of which can reap benefits when set up correctly.

 

[AsleepAtTheTree]

No it is not the same, it is WAY not the same. A powercommander is quicker and more precise, hands down. We use the ecu to derestrict - disable the top speed limiter, raise rev limits, make timing changes, etc. If you want to spend 6+ hours in the dyno room trying to fuel tune an ecu, have at it. Changing, flashing, changing, flashing, changing, flashing, on and on and on. Very time consuming, to say the least. And when your done, your afr line is still not straight. I can fully tune a Busa in less than one hour on the dyno with a PC, and end up with a perfect tune. So when you are talking ecus and pcs in the same context, you have to realize they are two different things, both of which can reap benefits when set up correctly.

Thanks @POWERHOUSE for clearing that up!!!

I see what you mean now!!!