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Wrong guy or right guy, you point a gun at the cops you should expect to get shot. The video said the officers failed to identify themselves as police. I’m wondering if that was just verbally or if they were in plain clothes too? We need more details to this; I hope they don’t drag their feet investigating this one.
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The video also said that the “time of day” may have been the reason that he answered the door with a gun. Just what time of the day was this? I have answered my door with my pistol in hand before. It was 2:00 am and guess what? It was the police who didn’t identify themselves as police. I opened the door and saw their uniform and placed the gun on the table where I keep my keys. Then again, they weren’t bum rushing my door thinking I was a murder suspect either….some jack off had broken into my car and left the door wide open.
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It's states in video they did not identify themselves. The door was open or unlocked we still don't know on that one? But if they were in plain clothes and just walked in why would they not expect to have a homeowner point a gun at them in anticipated self defense?
One, two or a bunch I don't care if someone in regular clothes comes thru my door and doesnt immediately id themselves they are gonna get shot plain and simple. Again if they were in plain clothes and not uniformed and went into his house unannounced or identified and then shot him it's wrong and they need to be addressed accordingly.
One, two or a bunch I don't care if someone in regular clothes comes thru my door and doesnt immediately id themselves they are gonna get shot plain and simple. Again if they were in plain clothes and not uniformed and went into his house unannounced or identified and then shot him it's wrong and they need to be addressed accordingly.
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well, its not always a good idea to announce who you are when your looking for a murder suspect for obvious reasons. the video didnt say anything about having a search warrant where knock and announce would be required so I have no idea if they were just making a follow up to an address they thought he may be at or maybe they were looking for someone who might know where he is located. too little information to say one way or the other.
if the Police are searcing for a murder suspect and not planning on busting the door down the last thing the Police want the murder suspect or one of his family members to know is that the Police are outside of their door. common sense actually.
its a chitty set of circumstances no matter how you slice it. the home owner could have simply looked outside first and he would have surely seen it was not some sort of home invasion.
bottom line, if you open your door and point a gun at a police officer your gonna be shot plain and simple. I dont see any of the Police officers being charged with any sort of crime or departmental charges but I do see the city paying out quite a bit of money in a civil settlement. simply opening ur door and pointing a gun at whoever is out there isnt too bright imo.
tragedy no matter how you look at it. RIP.
if the Police are searcing for a murder suspect and not planning on busting the door down the last thing the Police want the murder suspect or one of his family members to know is that the Police are outside of their door. common sense actually.
its a chitty set of circumstances no matter how you slice it. the home owner could have simply looked outside first and he would have surely seen it was not some sort of home invasion.
bottom line, if you open your door and point a gun at a police officer your gonna be shot plain and simple. I dont see any of the Police officers being charged with any sort of crime or departmental charges but I do see the city paying out quite a bit of money in a civil settlement. simply opening ur door and pointing a gun at whoever is out there isnt too bright imo.
tragedy no matter how you look at it. RIP.
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Doesn't sound like he had a chance, the way it reads is they knocked or (probably banged on the door) I can't see cops looking for a suspect knocking, the victim gets up grabs his gun goes to the door opens it, they see the gun and start shooting, they had to have had their weapons already drawn if they where approaching what they thought was a dangerous suspect. It's sad these things happen.
LAKE COUNTY, Fla. -- Lake County Sheriff's Office deputies shot and killed a man they assumed was an attempted murder suspect on Sunday, but they now know they shot the wrong man.
In the early morning hours, deputies knocked on 26-year-old Andrew Lee Scott's door without identifying themselves as law enforcement officers. Scott answered the door with a gun in his hand.
"When we knocked on the door, the door opened and the occupant of that apartment was pointing a gun at deputies and that's when we opened fire and killed him," Lt. John Herrell said.
Deputies thought they were confronting Jonathan Brown, a man accused of attempted murder. Brown was spotted at the Blueberry Hills Apartment complex and his motorcycle was parked across from Andrew Scott's front door.
"It's just a bizarre set of circumstances. The bottom line is, you point a gun at a deputy sheriff or police office, you're going to get shot," Herrell said.
Residents said the unannounced knock at the door at 1:30 a.m. may be the reason why the tragedy happened.
"He was the wrong guy and he got shot and killed anyway. There's fault on both sides. I think more so on the county," Ryan Perry said. "I can understand why he [the deputy] did it, but it should have never gone down like that," Perry said.
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the Constitution says what???? are you referring to serving a search warrant?
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Brett at 1:30 the common sense should have been demonstrated by the TRAINED PROFESSIONALS outside and not expected from a homeowner inside. If they were plain clothes and entered his property at 1:30 in the morning what did they expect? Not screaming police and rushing in but it seems they knocked and then just let themselves in. 'after knocking the door just came open' yeah my ass. Sorry. There is more to the story as once again this is a Florida story. The police were still pursuing and looking for the suspect and were led to believe he had gone to this address. I'm not sure whether he lived there before or used the address or whatever but they were still pumped and most likely did what they thought was the right thing to do to find a murder suspect. I think? Just speculating here, but I don't know many doors that open automatically after a knock and I don't know many that leave their door open at that time either?
Sad set of circumstances yes but this has to fall on them and not an armed homeowner. It's his fault because he pointed a gun at folks who didn't identify themselves at 1:30am coming thru his door and since they are the cops and shot him dead it's ok?
Sad set of circumstances yes but this has to fall on them and not an armed homeowner. It's his fault because he pointed a gun at folks who didn't identify themselves at 1:30am coming thru his door and since they are the cops and shot him dead it's ok?
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Wow! I believe the police were at fault on this one.. I always thought they yell " SUCH AND SUCH POLICE DEPARTMENT" as they are knocking your door down.. Ya know someone comes knocking through my door without annoucement at 2AM I would have a gun pointed also!!
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Hey what's up, I see the Blue Line in your avatar so I will assume you are law enforcement
, understood if some one points a gun at you, you are not going to ask questions, I would do the same because every one wants to go home at the end of their shift. I think the question here is were all the proper procedures followed by the law enforcement officers that are trained for these situations and should follow a protocol, not just the part about (gun = shoot) did they not do something correctly which lead a citizen minding his business in his home to within seconds find himself in a situation that unannounced strangers are at his door or entering his home that then forced a reaction that did not have to happen?I think anyone would have done the same thing, grab their firearm and see what's going on but also I think the public that law enforcement has a sworn duty to protect and serve has a higher level of expectation in decision making from its public servants with matters like this.
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Hey what's up, I see the Blue Line in your avatar so I will assume you are law enforcement
I think anyone would have done the same thing, grab their firearm and see what's going on but also I think the public that law enforcement has a sworn duty to protect and serve has a higher level of expectation in decision making from its public servants with matters like this.
I wasn't there, so I can't say what was done right or wrong. I doubt they showed up without any police identification, but I could be wrong. I gun in hand is a gun in use..
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the story just has too many unknowns to say one way or the other. I dont know if the police forced entry or not. the story is kinda vague and considering its an apartment complex I cant really say where his property actually began.
obviously inside his door way would be his property but outside on the sidewalk would be a common area. I dont think the door was just open and they walked in but I have no idea if the guy opened the door then pointed the gun at the police. if so, ur gettn shot. especially since they were looking for a murder suspect. we could guess all night about what could have or should have happened but untill more details are released it hard to say.
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number one rule with guns..dont point it at anything you dont want to kill. Point it at me and I assume you want to kill me, not going to wait for the shot to happen or you to ask me questions before I defend myself.
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300Busa said:
Well stated, that wa the first rule I learned about guns.
Too many unknowns as others stated, I've answered the door armed many times, typically with the gun to my side rather than using the barrel to move the curtain to the side. I'm sire if the guy on the other side was pointing his at me, I'd be shot, but hey, I wanna have some chance.
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