Didn't get your nappy today Brown??
Well, I know that the cars are Bimmers - the bikes are Beemers...
And flawed thinking is flawed thinking.
Steve
I am not the one who is hyper-critical in all my posts, that would be you. So about napping enough, I'm not the sleep-deprived constantly unhappy nagging grouch, once again that would be you. While I am glad that you have sufficient familiarity with BMW's that you can correct my spelling error, how does the fact that my opinion doesn't agree with yours represent flawed thinking? Why is it that if someone has a differing opinion you act as if they are so wrong? Why do you feel the need to make everyone seem inferior? While the K1200S is undoubtedly an excellent bike, it will not be as popular as the Busa, nor will it be as fast. I'm sure that it will make people happy, if your needs meet its strengths. Just because I choose a Busa, instead of anything else, does not mean that my thinking is flawed it means that I got what I wanted and am happy. I don't feel the need to bash anyone else's choice of bike, I just hope whatever they choose makes them as happy as my Busa makes me.
Stevew has some firsthand experience, and gives a report consistent with what one would expect given the stats of the K1200S. The magazine article is so far removed from the realm of reality that it's as if the author built the bike himself. That is the point of the critical responses, not that the BMW is a bad bike, just that this test is ridiculous.
I'll ask again since you chose not to respond to the first time, what kind of bike do you ride?
Since you seem always ready to dispense your opinion to those of us you deem in need of your expertise, here's my .02, get laid more often dude, it'll improve your attitude.
Ahh, so much love, so little time...
Firstly, Brown, let's deal with this bit of tripe:
Originally posted by Mr. BrownOh wise one, please continue to grace us with your limitless knowledge, we beg of you!!!! Why is it that ever single time I read one of your posts you act as if you know all there is to know about the topic? [/QUOTE]
Show me, Brown, where I assumed "limitless knowledge" on this topic. I'm taping into the article posted above, the same article to which everyone has access - you did read it, didn't you - and adding information from owner's reports of the K12S. Mostly what I've done in this thread - which is what's pissing you off I'm sure - is dissecting criticism and pointing out flawed thinking. And I'm evidently treading on your tender little 'FanBoy' toes and you don't like it. You apparently believe that any criticism of anything not Busa should stand untouched, and anyone who points out that the King has no clothes is assuming "limitless knowledge" and should be rewarded with your little emotional tantrum. And you think I'm messed up...
Flawed Thinking
Secondly, I didn't say your opinion disagreeing with my opinion constitutes flawed thinking; that was a leap on your part onto a bridge that simply isn't there - another part of your emotional outburst I suppose. In your dislike of me you assumed that the sentence "And flawed thinking is flawed thinking" was directed at you. Ironically though, your reaction in assuming a connection that doesn't exist demonstrates flawed thinking.
Before you fly off the handle again, let me say that we all demonstrate flawed thinking - we're only human afterall and it's what makes us unique. But to use flawed thinking as a foundation of criticism, or whatever, is to be shortsighted. You call it what you will.
Examples of the sort of flawed thinking I was referring to are:
It can't be a better bike than the Busa because it has a fuel injection glitch
The flaw here is that even with the fuel injection glitch it defeated the others in that review. And, how much better will the bike be once the glitch is corrected? In other words, the K12S won despite a handicap.
It isn't really relevant because it's not even in the same class - it's more of a tourer or a suit and tie sports tourer.
Yet it defeated the two top Hyper-Sports bikes, in the eyes of those reviewers, in a real world competition! That being so, if it indeed is a sub-class machine, its victory speaks even more loudly.
More power for the Busa would change the results.
The K12S didn't defeat the 12r and the Busa by virtue of superior power, or by virtue of a superior weight advantage, it defeated them by virtue of a superior suspension. Adding power to the Busa isn't going to change the suspension of the Busa. I seriously doubt that during the testing did the rider(s) actually use all the power of the Busa anyway, if not more than once or twice.
Also bear in mind, Suzuki could add more power, they could add an exotic suspension and they could create a more upscale Hayabusa. They've chosen not to. Remember that Suzuki is the company which brought us a rotary engine motorcycle for heavens sakes. They have the ability. They also brought us what's arguably the best two-stroke street bike ever created - the GT750.
The review is biased
A hard point to drive home seeing as the reviewers stated significant problems with the K12S. A biased review would most certainly gloss over any significant issues with its chosen machine. Also, I'll maintain that the British have traditionally been less than kind to German bikes in the past. I don't see why they would suddenly change face. Lastly, why didn't I hear this protest of bias when the reviewers of past were heaping glowing praise onto the Busa?? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't MCN write some awfully glowing reviews of the Busa in its heyday??
If you don't ride what I ride you can't add anything relevant -or to borrow from the Stones - He can't be a man cuz he doesn't smoke the same cigarettes as me
This is the underlying motive behind your question of what I ride, isn't it...
But that's okay, I'll be more than happy to give you an answer. The last bike I rode was a Busa. Before that it's been an odd mixture - a Harley SoftTail Deuce, a ZX-12r, a Ducati 900SS, a Harley Road King, a Moto Guzzi LeMans, and a few others I've probably forgotten. I'll also tell you that the last time I owned a bike was two years ago. See, in '99 I was diagnosed with cancer. I don't know if you know much about it, or if you've experienced it in your friends and/or family, but something that comes with cancer is medical bills. I kept my bike as long as I could, but I finally gutted in and sold it back in '03. Luckily I have friends (imagine that, eh Brown?) who kept me riding - the bikes mentioned above - to keep my mind off of things (I call it my cycletherapy). I've been back on my feet for some time now, so I've been trying to decide in which direction to go with my next motorcycle. I've been riding for 30 plus years now, but I always seem to keep coming back to big, smooth sport bikes. If you go back, not so long ago, and read the first few '05 LE threads, you'll see that I have quite an interest in it - in fact, an '05 LE may very well be my next bike, but that doesn't really matter, does it.
So you could say I have a lot of varied experience and a unique perspective, or you could just say that I'm a cranky know-it-all who needs to get laid...
Steve
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