Comparison of K1200S, ZX12, and Busa
- Thread starter warbrown
- Start date
Okay, I see what you mean, but there are reports from owners, the number growing every day. There's even a fellow in Holland (I believe it's Holland) who did 3000 kilometers in 24hrs on a K12S.
Said he couldn't have done it as easily on any other bike.
Like we've been saying, time will tell.
Steve
P.S. - The 3000 kilometers in 24hrs wasn't riding around a track, it was riding around Europe...
Just thought I'd better clarify.
<!--EDIT|Aughtsix
Reason for Edit: None given...|1113178180 -->
For the Touring class the K1200S has raised the BAR....for the Hyper/Sport class....Busa, 12R, 1100XX....it does not.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah id think this is more of an FJR1300 guy's kind of bike. Though really even if they are trying to compete with the 12R and Busa...geez aren't you a little late BMW?
[/QUOTE]
Yeah id think this is more of an FJR1300 guy's kind of bike. Though really even if they are trying to compete with the 12R and Busa...geez aren't you a little late BMW?
RandomNickname
Donating Member
A lovely 'Uncle Bob' story, though I don't buy it. If the tale was about a Guzzi, then sure, but not a Beemer. [/QUOTE]
For what it's worth, I've riden/owned both a BMW and a Guzzi before the Busa. Maybe it's the local dealers and such, but I'd go with the Guzzi any day, both for reliability (those damn little twins are bulletproof) as well as serviceability and turnaround on in-shop service.
Plus, every BMW I hear about has surging/fuel-delivery problems... for years I hear this on their Kbikes, their Boxers... and now I hear reports of it on the new K1200's. Are they ever going to fix that, or is it just "german character"?
For what it's worth, I've riden/owned both a BMW and a Guzzi before the Busa. Maybe it's the local dealers and such, but I'd go with the Guzzi any day, both for reliability (those damn little twins are bulletproof) as well as serviceability and turnaround on in-shop service.
Plus, every BMW I hear about has surging/fuel-delivery problems... for years I hear this on their Kbikes, their Boxers... and now I hear reports of it on the new K1200's. Are they ever going to fix that, or is it just "german character"?
I am planning on test riding one....I'm sure that there are many things that it will do better than a Busa.
I have a Busa and a CBR1000RR.
I bought a Busa because I'm a big guy 6'5" and I like to ride the twisties and go fast. I bought the RR for track days (11) in the last 12 months.
The K1200S would be great for longer trips and the occasional run through the twisties, or even a track day....I've seen some 1150 and 1200's at the track.
I just get tired of hearing that this bike is better than that bike. And the all #'s crap.
BMW is not trying to make a BUSA beater....just a better bike period. Suzuki needs to update the Busa, brakes, suspension, reduce the weight, gauges.....something more than a color change or some clear turn signal lenses.
I have a Busa and a CBR1000RR.
I bought a Busa because I'm a big guy 6'5" and I like to ride the twisties and go fast. I bought the RR for track days (11) in the last 12 months.
The K1200S would be great for longer trips and the occasional run through the twisties, or even a track day....I've seen some 1150 and 1200's at the track.
I just get tired of hearing that this bike is better than that bike. And the all #'s crap.
BMW is not trying to make a BUSA beater....just a better bike period. Suzuki needs to update the Busa, brakes, suspension, reduce the weight, gauges.....something more than a color change or some clear turn signal lenses.
For what it's worth, I've riden/owned both a BMW and a Guzzi before the Busa. Maybe it's the local dealers and such, but I'd go with the Guzzi any day, both for reliability (those damn little twins are bulletproof) as well as serviceability and turnaround on in-shop service.
Plus, every BMW I hear about has surging/fuel-delivery problems... for years I hear this on their Kbikes, their Boxers... and now I hear reports of it on the new K1200's. Are they ever going to fix that, or is it just "german character"?[/QUOTE]
You're lucky enough to have one of the best damned Guzzi shops in the country right there in your neighborhood, but even Moto can't crap parts out of spaghetti. IF they're in stock, great, but usually they're not. Then Luigi will get to your order when he feels like it and stick it on the slowest boat from Italy. The wait is often months. But when they're running well a Guzzi has something special about it that trancends modern motorcycle reason - something that just feels 'right'.
As far as Beemers surging, I experienced a bit of surging on my '02 R1150RT. Most of the other oilheads don't surge because they have different relays in them (the offending relays in the RTs were pink. Pull that little pink ####### and viola, no more surging). The K bikes don't surge unless the TPS setting or sync is off, and the grand old airheads - now THERE'S German character - would only surge if your carbs were badly out of sync or you were running very lean.
Bear in mind that as time goes on more bikes will surge - especially European bikes - because of the tendency to run more and more lean to meet emissions. You simply didn't hear of Beemers surging even half a dozen years ago - it's a fairly recent Beemer phenomenon.
Steve
Yeah id think this is more of an FJR1300 guy's kind of bike. Though really even if they are trying to compete with the 12R and Busa...geez aren't you a little late BMW?
Well then, that makes it appear even worse for the 12r and the Busa, now doesn't it. After all, you're saying that an FJR class bike flat ran away from them on the real world roads of the TT. Imagine then if BMW were to concentrate on designing something to compete with the 12r and Busa, you know, a real fast bike...
Steve
Mr Brown
Registered
I don't know - think about it. An exotic, upscale, exclusive, well maintained used German bike on which the original owner has taken the substantial initial depreciation hit -vs- a run-of-the-mill, no-technologies, everybody has one Japanese bike that's immediately worth 15% less as soon as the paperwork is signed? For the same price?? Sounds like a no-brainer to me...I predict right now that after the few initial die hard, beemer fanatic, "Juwst Gotta Have One Impulse Sales" are over???...K1200S's are going to collect a lot of dust between sales....especially when "Used K1200S" owners looking to sell realize that very few will elect to purchase a $12,000 used beemer over a brand new Busa or 12R.
Originally posted by onerabidshark IM WITH EVERYONE ON THIS ONE WITH THE EXTRA 5 G'S SAVED CAN'T YOU PUT A TURBO ON A BUSA AND YOU GUYS THAT HAVE THEM LETS SEE THE BEEMER PLAY THEN
Firstly dude, lose the caps. Secondly, bolting on a turbo isn't going to improve the Busa's suspension. The K12S didn't defeat the 12r and Busa on power, it defeated them by virtue of a superior suspension.
Put that $5k into suspension upgrades, leave the engine alone and THEN re-run the competition. That would be more interesting IMHO. However, in the end you've sunk $5k into what is still a $10k bike carrying standard depreciation.
Originally posted by DAB hmmmm.... so they picked the bike with "jerky" throttle response that causes the bike to "lurch" forward..... [/QUOTE]
Yup! That speaks volumes in my mind. As I've pointed out before, even with the low speed fueling glitch it STILL defeated the two best of class Hyper-Sport Tourers. This simply has to have made riding, especially in the highly technical sections, a B one T Charlie. Just imagine the outcome once the fueling glitch is corrected.
The balloon's gone up and it ain't getting any worse guys, it's only getting better...
Steve[/QUOTE]
Why don't you go to BMW.org (or whatever it is) since you love 'em so much? I don't care what uber-technology BMW comes to the table with, a used bike is still a used bike. Comparing the ZX-12 and Busa is one thing, this Bimmer is not even in the same league. I'm pretty sure all the dragstrips in the country won't be flooded with these K1200S's in 6 years. By the way, what kind of bike do you ride?
Mr Brown
Registered
Well then, that makes it appear even worse for the 12r and the Busa, now doesn't it. After all, you're saying that an FJR class bike flat ran away from them on the real world roads of the TT. Imagine then if BMW were to concentrate on designing something to compete with the 12r and Busa, you know, a real fast bike...Yeah id think this is more of an FJR1300 guy's kind of bike. Though really even if they are trying to compete with the 12R and Busa...geez aren't you a little late BMW?
Steve[/QUOTE]
Oh wise one, please continue to grace us with your limitless knowledge, we beg of you!!!! Why is it that ever single time I read one of your posts you act as if you know all there is to know about the topic? I think you should change your screen name to Ike.
stevew
Registered
I rode the famous "K" yesterday for quite some time. It's got it all over the Busa as far as handling, comfort and braking. At the end of a 700 mile day on the K, you get off it and you're ready to party, unlike the Busa. Riding position is designed to allow the rider to ride it all day and push it hard in to the turns in the greatest of comfort. Braking is reminicent of the liter bikes. The Busa on the other hand has #### brakes as we all know (my FJR was way better than a Busa). Pushing the K into a turn requires no effort at all, as it literally just wants to fall into the turn. Whoever thinks that 5K can make your Busa feel as good as that BM'r has obviously never ridden one and thinks that there is no bike out there except Busa. As far as acceleration and top speed goes, the Busa will eat that "K" in a heartbeat. The K is no "Busa Eater" nor can it keep up to it, until you get into the corners, where it will simply blow the Busa into the weeds. It is quite possibly the best handling speedbike out there today and will likely outperform anything out there except for maybe a 1200GS (in the corners). Busa has HUGE grin factor far as speed and grunt go, but lets not kid ourselves, that BM ROCKS! I love my Busa, but that BM...well...you've gotta ride it to believe it!
Thats what I'm lookin' for....first hand knowledge.
Didn't get your nappy today Brown??
Oh wise one, please continue to grace us with your limitless knowledge, we beg of you!!!! Why is it that ever single time I read one of your posts you act as if you know all there is to know about the topic? [/QUOTE]
Well, I know that the cars are Bimmers - the bikes are Beemers...
And flawed thinking is flawed thinking.
Steve
Oh no Steve, we musn't discuss such things - you're going to give 'ol Brown apoplexy...
Steve
Its sooo ugly though!!
Id be just as tired if I rode in a Mercedes S-Class 700 miles as I would if I drove my Busa 700 miles..if not more. Road time is road time IMO.
You must have some pretty hairy corners in your neck of the woods because I cannot imagine any corner anywhere around me that I cannot take the Busa around @ any desired speed. Of course I am not the trusting type either...I scan for gravel and water before entering tight corner so I lose alot of speed going in...id rather pick it up the lost time exiting.
Somehow I dont think the BMW is going to appeal to most Busa owners...A. Its Butt Ugly , looks like an old man's bike , and its a BMW
If I wanted a cornering and braking monster id just get a straight up SS bike.
Did I mention how ugly the BMW is?
Mr Brown
Registered
I am not the one who is hyper-critical in all my posts, that would be you. So about napping enough, I'm not the sleep-deprived constantly unhappy nagging grouch, once again that would be you. While I am glad that you have sufficient familiarity with BMW's that you can correct my spelling error, how does the fact that my opinion doesn't agree with yours represent flawed thinking? Why is it that if someone has a differing opinion you act as if they are so wrong? Why do you feel the need to make everyone seem inferior? While the K1200S is undoubtedly an excellent bike, it will not be as popular as the Busa, nor will it be as fast. I'm sure that it will make people happy, if your needs meet its strengths. Just because I choose a Busa, instead of anything else, does not mean that my thinking is flawed it means that I got what I wanted and am happy. I don't feel the need to bash anyone else's choice of bike, I just hope whatever they choose makes them as happy as my Busa makes me.
Stevew has some firsthand experience, and gives a report consistent with what one would expect given the stats of the K1200S. The magazine article is so far removed from the realm of reality that it's as if the author built the bike himself. That is the point of the critical responses, not that the BMW is a bad bike, just that this test is ridiculous.
I'll ask again since you chose not to respond to the first time, what kind of bike do you ride?
Since you seem always ready to dispense your opinion to those of us you deem in need of your expertise, here's my .02, get laid more often dude, it'll improve your attitude.
BigDawg_03Busa
Registered
I still find it absolutely amazing that after 6 years in existense with no major changes, the Busa is still the benchmark for "speed". I said speed not "quickness", even though it still more than handles it's own there also despite being a tad bit obese? I used to think I was going to trade my baby in or sell er, but everytime I do I think of 10 years from now some kid saying wow dad that's a hayabusa!
So would it be fair to say that...in summary those of you who are lacking in your riding skills will have a much easier time of keeping up with us on a K1200S in the twisties but once we hit the straights it's "Have A Nice Day"
Seriousely though...I don't doubt for a moment that the beemers electronic select duolever suspenders and Linked ABS Brakes are heads and tails over the busa's legs but...it was BMW and the Rags that billed it as "BMW's Busa Beater"....not us...meanwhile back on the farm???...I'm fairly certain that if a guy dropped $2,000 for Brakepads, Braided SS Dual Brake-Lines, a Sweet Penske Rear Shock and Prpoer Springing & Valving up front that between the straights and the curves???...any two equally skilled riders would put on a real war bewteen these two steeds...only diference being that...when things did get long and straight???....the Busa would be waiving Bye-Bye too the Fondu Dipping, Wine Tasting, Irons his underware Beemer Pilot!!! LOL!!!
To me it's still a coin flip based on personal preference....you want world class suspenders???....or???....World Class Power???.....and isn't it odd how world class power comes at LESS THAN 2/3rds the cost of the beemer???
excuse me...after that?
...I need to go hug my Busa!!!
L8R, Bill.
Seriousely though...I don't doubt for a moment that the beemers electronic select duolever suspenders and Linked ABS Brakes are heads and tails over the busa's legs but...it was BMW and the Rags that billed it as "BMW's Busa Beater"....not us...meanwhile back on the farm???...I'm fairly certain that if a guy dropped $2,000 for Brakepads, Braided SS Dual Brake-Lines, a Sweet Penske Rear Shock and Prpoer Springing & Valving up front that between the straights and the curves???...any two equally skilled riders would put on a real war bewteen these two steeds...only diference being that...when things did get long and straight???....the Busa would be waiving Bye-Bye too the Fondu Dipping, Wine Tasting, Irons his underware Beemer Pilot!!! LOL!!!
To me it's still a coin flip based on personal preference....you want world class suspenders???....or???....World Class Power???.....and isn't it odd how world class power comes at LESS THAN 2/3rds the cost of the beemer???
excuse me...after that?
L8R, Bill.
I think BA Busa said it best, BMW has not risen the bar for the Hypersport touring class, mainly its not faster and speed and power is a main feature of this class.
I am signing up to ride one as well so I will post my thoughts afterwards.
Similar threads
