TallTom
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I'm late to this show. 98% of it happened while I was on vacation. So I can sort of come after things have cycled a few days in the news.
So a few questions to pose.
If blacks organize a peaceful protest and whites that were opposed to their cause showed up with clubs, who would we be saying is in the wrong?
I think part of the problem has become, we are being forced to accept that the blacks can do about anything they want now, and it seems to get championed by the press.
How about if the whites are offended by MLK statutes. Should we expect them to come down or we will start looting and burning until they do?
I'm old enough to remember a few relative things. When I was 5, I watched a cross get burned in our front yard. I didn't understand what or why it was happening. My dad finally tried to explain to me that because we knew the lead FBI agent that was going after the killers of the civil rights workers in Ms., we were now considered part of the KKKs hit list of who to hate.
I left Ms. at 16. Hated the racism I was forced to live with. It was truly horrible. On both sides. That same FBI agent was arresting black panthers for raping white women. Come to find out that this was part of the initiation rights to get into the BPs back then. You couldn't get in until you could prove you raped a white woman. The younger, the better. Perhaps the BPs have moderated over time and become more politically astute since then. But for me, because that is their history and they choose to carry that Black Panther namesake, I will always hate them for not trying to rid themselves of that past. Just like the letters KKK.
Ive seen the world almost twice now. Every country has racial bias. Its going to be a fact of life I'm afraid. But nowhere in the world have I seen a group of people get entitled, given preferential treatment to, laws passed to promote them based on skin color, than I do in the U.S. And still it isn't going to be enough in the eyes of some of the blacks.
We have many ethnic groups here. I have traced my family back to both France and England. Nowhere in our family history have we had slaves, worked with slaves, used slaves, abused slaves or any facsimile of any aspect of slavery. So I have no connection to nor support any aspects of why we should be expected to pay some price for that chapter in American history. We were placed in the south for my dads work. We had no racial bias and I was raised with none. All of my best play pals growing up were dirt poor black children. I didn't care, they were my best buddies.
I will agree with former president Obama when he says we are not born hating a skin color. That part I agree with. And while some are taught to hate by our families or friends or groups we are around, some of us learn to hate by watching the actions of others.
Nowhere did I see the media relentlessly assault former Pres. Obama when he didn't do enough to speak out about the riots in Ferguson, (or insert any of the long list here). He would come on make a general "this is horrible 4 minute statement" and that was the last we have heard of it. Now it seems that the media will craft what a president is to say whether or not its how he feels.
Where was that media when Obama stood by and did not much at all as they looted and burned (insert location here).
We will begin to learn to hate by the actions of others, and inactions towards others, rather than be taught by our own how to.
I hate the KKK. I hate Neo Nazis. And BPs and Sharpton and etc. I hate racism. But I am learning that people reach a point of bias due to exposures and actions of others as much as being told how they are supposed to feel towards a specific group. In Wisconsin they are biased against the Laotions that have settled into the areas there. They call them Mungs I believe. I've never met a Laotian so I have no concept of bias towards them. That hatred has been created in that geography for reason I have no concept of.
There is a southern culture, a southern history, a southern story. If we attempt to take it away then the southerners who are losing it have a right to argue, just like the blacks, that their beliefs and cultures are part of what makes them up and should be allowed to riot in order to preserve that culture. Doesn't mean they wish to be slave owning racist. The racist should be held accountable, on BOTH sides.
I was recently entertained by a comedian named Kivi Rogers. He told Black humor, White humor, Asian humor. He grew up in a family of 7 kids. His dad was an occasional member of his life. He grew up in the projects. He openly states a stereotypical black family of his time. He is not angry. He is not mad at anyone. Part of his show was that he championed the cause of we have had enough of political correctness. Its killing our country. He was a proud black man that can send a good message of that pride, without making me feel like I was going to have to lock my doors afterwords.
Its not the message we need to be enraged by, its the delivery of that message that we need to work on.
I have these conversations. Most recently with my neighbor around the corner. He is a retired Oncologist. Happens to be black. Grew up and made his living in Ms and Ala. He isn't complaining about how he and his family have done. He's quite proud to have accomplished what he has. As he should be. His children all work, they all have good jobs. They are all polite and a productive part of the American process. Maybe its his age, or his economic security, or whatever. Yes he was subjected to some unneeded and unnecessary discrimination along the way. But he isn't mad at the white population as a whole.
So we can have these conversations. Civilly, with respect and admiration for each side of the argument.
Our president, like him or not, got elected by tapping into some very frustrated and disenfranchised whites. He did the same thing Obama did, he just did it to the other race. If they like how he feels, he will be re-elected. If they don't he won't.
And as an interesting Post Script. I recently saw a quote credited to athlete Charles Barkley whereby he said (paraphrasing from memory) " The majority of us blacks have been voting Democrat for 50 years. The majority of us were poor then and the majority of us are poor now."
Pretty interesting coming from a what I'd consider a vocal black man.
So a few questions to pose.
If blacks organize a peaceful protest and whites that were opposed to their cause showed up with clubs, who would we be saying is in the wrong?
I think part of the problem has become, we are being forced to accept that the blacks can do about anything they want now, and it seems to get championed by the press.
How about if the whites are offended by MLK statutes. Should we expect them to come down or we will start looting and burning until they do?
I'm old enough to remember a few relative things. When I was 5, I watched a cross get burned in our front yard. I didn't understand what or why it was happening. My dad finally tried to explain to me that because we knew the lead FBI agent that was going after the killers of the civil rights workers in Ms., we were now considered part of the KKKs hit list of who to hate.
I left Ms. at 16. Hated the racism I was forced to live with. It was truly horrible. On both sides. That same FBI agent was arresting black panthers for raping white women. Come to find out that this was part of the initiation rights to get into the BPs back then. You couldn't get in until you could prove you raped a white woman. The younger, the better. Perhaps the BPs have moderated over time and become more politically astute since then. But for me, because that is their history and they choose to carry that Black Panther namesake, I will always hate them for not trying to rid themselves of that past. Just like the letters KKK.
Ive seen the world almost twice now. Every country has racial bias. Its going to be a fact of life I'm afraid. But nowhere in the world have I seen a group of people get entitled, given preferential treatment to, laws passed to promote them based on skin color, than I do in the U.S. And still it isn't going to be enough in the eyes of some of the blacks.
We have many ethnic groups here. I have traced my family back to both France and England. Nowhere in our family history have we had slaves, worked with slaves, used slaves, abused slaves or any facsimile of any aspect of slavery. So I have no connection to nor support any aspects of why we should be expected to pay some price for that chapter in American history. We were placed in the south for my dads work. We had no racial bias and I was raised with none. All of my best play pals growing up were dirt poor black children. I didn't care, they were my best buddies.
I will agree with former president Obama when he says we are not born hating a skin color. That part I agree with. And while some are taught to hate by our families or friends or groups we are around, some of us learn to hate by watching the actions of others.
Nowhere did I see the media relentlessly assault former Pres. Obama when he didn't do enough to speak out about the riots in Ferguson, (or insert any of the long list here). He would come on make a general "this is horrible 4 minute statement" and that was the last we have heard of it. Now it seems that the media will craft what a president is to say whether or not its how he feels.
Where was that media when Obama stood by and did not much at all as they looted and burned (insert location here).
We will begin to learn to hate by the actions of others, and inactions towards others, rather than be taught by our own how to.
I hate the KKK. I hate Neo Nazis. And BPs and Sharpton and etc. I hate racism. But I am learning that people reach a point of bias due to exposures and actions of others as much as being told how they are supposed to feel towards a specific group. In Wisconsin they are biased against the Laotions that have settled into the areas there. They call them Mungs I believe. I've never met a Laotian so I have no concept of bias towards them. That hatred has been created in that geography for reason I have no concept of.
There is a southern culture, a southern history, a southern story. If we attempt to take it away then the southerners who are losing it have a right to argue, just like the blacks, that their beliefs and cultures are part of what makes them up and should be allowed to riot in order to preserve that culture. Doesn't mean they wish to be slave owning racist. The racist should be held accountable, on BOTH sides.
I was recently entertained by a comedian named Kivi Rogers. He told Black humor, White humor, Asian humor. He grew up in a family of 7 kids. His dad was an occasional member of his life. He grew up in the projects. He openly states a stereotypical black family of his time. He is not angry. He is not mad at anyone. Part of his show was that he championed the cause of we have had enough of political correctness. Its killing our country. He was a proud black man that can send a good message of that pride, without making me feel like I was going to have to lock my doors afterwords.
Its not the message we need to be enraged by, its the delivery of that message that we need to work on.
I have these conversations. Most recently with my neighbor around the corner. He is a retired Oncologist. Happens to be black. Grew up and made his living in Ms and Ala. He isn't complaining about how he and his family have done. He's quite proud to have accomplished what he has. As he should be. His children all work, they all have good jobs. They are all polite and a productive part of the American process. Maybe its his age, or his economic security, or whatever. Yes he was subjected to some unneeded and unnecessary discrimination along the way. But he isn't mad at the white population as a whole.
So we can have these conversations. Civilly, with respect and admiration for each side of the argument.
Our president, like him or not, got elected by tapping into some very frustrated and disenfranchised whites. He did the same thing Obama did, he just did it to the other race. If they like how he feels, he will be re-elected. If they don't he won't.
And as an interesting Post Script. I recently saw a quote credited to athlete Charles Barkley whereby he said (paraphrasing from memory) " The majority of us blacks have been voting Democrat for 50 years. The majority of us were poor then and the majority of us are poor now."
Pretty interesting coming from a what I'd consider a vocal black man.
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