Baby it's cold outside *

I hear ya. As is usually the case, upon further discussion we have far more in common than we have differences. I agree with you on your description of mainstream, and that they totally missed the mark with the last election. I said from day one Hillary wasn't electable, but what do I know.....
 
1busa said:
I hear what your saying and I see where your coming from. However.... “Mainstream” as you put it is really a manipulation of the Liberal Media to influence you and push their leftist agenda.

Case in point The “Main Stream” media had Hillary Clinton ahead in every single poll in every single state and predicted a land slide victory.

Well I rode a lot and toured on my Harley that summer before the election and what the Media was telling me and what I seen with my own 2 eyes were completely different. For every Hillary bumper sticker I seen 4 Trump..... For every Hillary sign in a yard I’d see an entire Billboard for trump. That’s why i was telling everyone Trump was gonna win PA and OH and everyone was looking @ me like I was stupid. All they would say is the polls, CNN, MSNBC etc etc. My eyes didn’t lie
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Actually, Trump voters were (are) fanatic, so that's why there were so many signs. Clinton voters on the other hand figured the election was in the bag, and didn't work nearly as hard. Polls rely on the people being polled being honest and they weren't. What sunk her is that critical Hillary constituency groups simply did not vote at all. Still, Hillary did actually get 3 million more votes than Trump. So Trump winning was less about people voting for Trump, it was about people not voting for Hillary.

I also was alone in saying Hillary would lose to Trump. First of all I hate her, and I had to force myself to vote for her even with Trump as the alternative. I knew a lot of people would just not vote for either of these two. Funny thing is, Hillary was the only one of the major democratic candidates who polled lower than Trump at the beginning of the campaign, so the numbers were never there. The Clintons used campaign funds to bail the DNC out of debt and then used the DNC to make her the front runner. The big email flap is about the emails Wiki released that exposed what the DNC did to stop Bernie.
 
fallenarch said:
Actually, Trump voters were (are) fanatic, so that's why there were so many signs. Clinton voters on the other hand figured the election was in the bag, and didn't work nearly as hard. Polls rely on the people being polled being honest and they weren't. What sunk her is that critical Hillary constituency groups simply did not vote at all. Still, Hillary did actually get 3 million more votes than Trump. So Trump winning was less about people voting for Trump, it was about people not voting for Hillary.

I also was alone in saying Hillary would lose to Trump. First of all I hate her, and I had to force myself to vote for her even with Trump as the alternative. I knew a lot of people would just not vote for either of these two. Funny thing is, Hillary was the only one of the major democratic candidates who polled lower than Trump at the beginning of the campaign, so the numbers were never there. The Clintons used campaign funds to bail the DNC out of debt and then used the DNC to make her the front runner. The big email flap is about the emails Wiki released that exposed what the DNC did to stop Bernie.
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The "big email flap" also showed that the b*tch used her personal email whenever she wanted.
She also carried and used her unsecured private Blackberry in foreign countries, and it was admitted that foreign governments could then easily hack it and all it's info.
Then, during the hearing, she smuggly played on her phone, and "did not recall" was her answer to most questions.
So, she is either utterly incompetent...or a blatent liar.
Yeah, just what we need for president.
Too many people dislike Trump the man, so they revolt against the office he holds.
Seperate the person from their ability, respect the office, and let him do the job.
The anti-Trump train rolls on because elites behind the scenes keep attacking him at any opportunity.
Why? Because Trump is a shreud, no bs businessman, not a politician.
He's keeping campaign promises...like draining the swamp. Stepping on DC scum's toes, and they don't like it.
The economy is doing well for good reason.
Hollywood elites and DC libtards want to slowly twist the public into socialism(just not for themselves), disguised as democrats out to save our country.
Good thing they've got young talent like Ocasio Cortez, lmao!
Come on, open your eyes folks.
Obama kisses Iran's ass, sends them a billion and a half dollars in cash, wtf.
In the last days, right will be called wrong, and wrong will be called right.
Things have gotten Biblical.
But, I'm a Christian conservative, white guy, my opinion is becoming the minority, as well as the stereotypical ideas that come with it.
Must be racist, everything came easily to me, that I don't value others, etc.
We as a nation are coming apart.
Elites behind the scenes are laughing.
Mission accomplished, turn them against themselves. Then the liberal government will "save" us with new laws, aka restrictions.
I could ramble on.
Rant over.:beerchug::cool:
 
sixpack577 said:
The "big email flap" also showed that the b*tch used her personal email whenever she wanted.
She also carried and used her unsecured private Blackberry in foreign countries, and it was admitted that foreign governments could then easily hack it and all it's info.
Then, during the hearing, she smuggly played on her phone, and "did not recall" was her answer to most questions.
So, she is either utterly incompetent...or a blatent liar.
Yeah, just what we need for president.
Too many people dislike Trump the man, so they revolt against the office he holds.
Seperate the person from their ability, respect the office, and let him do the job.
The anti-Trump train rolls on because elites behind the scenes keep attacking him at any opportunity.
Why? Because Trump is a shreud, no bs businessman, not a politician.
He's keeping campaign promises...like draining the swamp. Stepping on DC scum's toes, and they don't like it.
The economy is doing well for good reason.
Hollywood elites and DC libtards want to slowly twist the public into socialism(just not for themselves), disguised as democrats out to save our country.
Good thing they've got young talent like Ocasio Cortez, lmao!
Come on, open your eyes folks.
Obama kisses Iran's ass, sends them a billion and a half dollars in cash, wtf.
In the last days, right will be called wrong, and wrong will be called right.
Things have gotten Biblical.
But, I'm a Christian conservative, white guy, my opinion is becoming the minority, as well as the stereotypical ideas that come with it.
Must be racist, everything came easily to me, that I don't value others, etc.
We as a nation are coming apart.
Elites behind the scenes are laughing.
Mission accomplished, turn them against themselves. Then the liberal government will "save" us with new laws, aka restrictions.
I could ramble on.
Rant over.:beerchug::cool:
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Up here what we call a conservative is just a bit to the right of My Saunders. You guys would roll your eyes at what constitutes a small l liberal up here Also known officially as the New Democratic Party
That is partly why when Americans complain about liberals and the media and how only the conservative movement will save the US we are at a loss
Some of the Right Wingers down there are so far and away to the right of what we are use to it is hard to comprehend. Not picking on anyone Just pointing out our politics is very different from yours. Drove truck for 47 years coast to coast to coast and unless you travel and live with (sort of) Americans of multiple states it is very hard as a Canadian to grasp US politics. With 330 citizens in the US I could not believe that Hillary was the best the Democrats could come up with. I mean REALLY? She was it?
Yeah we are embarrassed about our military too. But since no one wants to pay taxes to support it we buy from the Honest Al's Used Military Equipment Yard. and because Govt have no clue about military needs they screw it up every time
 
sixpack577 said:
The "big email flap" also showed that the b*tch used her personal email whenever she wanted.
She also carried and used her unsecured private Blackberry in foreign countries, and it was admitted that foreign governments could then easily hack it and all it's info.
Then, during the hearing, she smuggly played on her phone, and "did not recall" was her answer to most questions.
So, she is either utterly incompetent...or a blatent liar.
Yeah, just what we need for president.
Too many people dislike Trump the man, so they revolt against the office he holds.
Seperate the person from their ability, respect the office, and let him do the job.
The anti-Trump train rolls on because elites behind the scenes keep attacking him at any opportunity.
Why? Because Trump is a shreud, no bs businessman, not a politician.
He's keeping campaign promises...like draining the swamp. Stepping on DC scum's toes, and they don't like it.
The economy is doing well for good reason.
Hollywood elites and DC libtards want to slowly twist the public into socialism(just not for themselves), disguised as democrats out to save our country.
Good thing they've got young talent like Ocasio Cortez, lmao!
Come on, open your eyes folks.
Obama kisses Iran's ass, sends them a billion and a half dollars in cash, wtf.
In the last days, right will be called wrong, and wrong will be called right.
Things have gotten Biblical.
But, I'm a Christian conservative, white guy, my opinion is becoming the minority, as well as the stereotypical ideas that come with it.
Must be racist, everything came easily to me, that I don't value others, etc.
We as a nation are coming apart.
Elites behind the scenes are laughing.
Mission accomplished, turn them against themselves. Then the liberal government will "save" us with new laws, aka restrictions.
I could ramble on.
Rant over.:beerchug::cool:
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I'm not sure what a Christian conservative is? Jesus was a decidedly socialist liberal sort of chap when he walked the earth.
 
Hell I don’t know where I fit in!?!? I’m like a man with no country :banghead:

I don’t walk around wearing MAGA hats believing blindly whatever the Right says. But on the same token I absolutely Hate the direction the left is going and how they have turned to bullying and outright lies and intimidation to push this BS leftist agenda.

This is how I feel.....

Men and WOMEN should be held responsible and accountable for their actions. Just like the song “Baby it’s Cold outside” there’s a man and woman in the house. She’s an adult!!! If and when she REALLY wanted to leave she can. The man didn’t Bill Cosby her drink or forcibly restrain her from leaving!!! There is nothing wrong with a man trying to sweet talk a woman he is attracted to. If she felt threatened or uncomfortable GET UP AND LEAVE!!! Make it be known your not comfortable. Don’t wait 5 years down the road or until I’m famous or a public official to bring this SH@T up and try to paint me in a negative light!!!! If you regretted it after the fact that’s your problem because it was YOUR decision to stay and do whatever it is you did. Be and adult and learn from your mistakes like the rest of us

But this is some of the garbage the left is spewing!! Some flannel shirt Birkenstock wearing manhater will scream He should’ve known better he shouldn’t have put her in that situation “what’s a GIRL to do??” A minute ago y’all were Woman hear y’all roar now because you had to do the walk of shame @ 8AM and call your own Uber y’all are scared confused indecisive “Girls” Sorry but GTFOH:banghead:
 
fallenarch said:
Actually, Trump voters were (are) fanatic, so that's why there were so many signs. Clinton voters on the other hand figured the election was in the bag, and didn't work nearly as hard. Polls rely on the people being polled being honest and they weren't. .
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In this case it was the pollsters that were not honest. Along with CNN et al
 
sixpack577 said:
The "big email flap" also showed that the b*tch used her personal email whenever she wanted.
She also carried and used her unsecured private Blackberry in foreign countries, and it was admitted that foreign governments could then easily hack it and all it's info.
Then, during the hearing, she smuggly played on her phone, and "did not recall" was her answer to most questions.
So, she is either utterly incompetent...or a blatent liar.
Yeah, just what we need for president.
Too many people dislike Trump the man, so they revolt against the office he holds.
Seperate the person from their ability, respect the office, and let him do the job.
The anti-Trump train rolls on because elites behind the scenes keep attacking him at any opportunity.
Why? Because Trump is a shreud, no bs businessman, not a politician.
He's keeping campaign promises...like draining the swamp. Stepping on DC scum's toes, and they don't like it.
The economy is doing well for good reason.
Hollywood elites and DC libtards want to slowly twist the public into socialism(just not for themselves), disguised as democrats out to save our country.
Good thing they've got young talent like Ocasio Cortez, lmao!
Come on, open your eyes folks.
Obama kisses Iran's ass, sends them a billion and a half dollars in cash, wtf.
In the last days, right will be called wrong, and wrong will be called right.
Things have gotten Biblical.
But, I'm a Christian conservative, white guy, my opinion is becoming the minority, as well as the stereotypical ideas that come with it.
Must be racist, everything came easily to me, that I don't value others, etc.
We as a nation are coming apart.
Elites behind the scenes are laughing.
Mission accomplished, turn them against themselves. Then the liberal government will "save" us with new laws, aka restrictions.
I could ramble on.
Rant over.:beerchug::cool:
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There's a lot in here to unpack, but I see your point on the vast majority of it.
A few comments:
There is no evidence that Trump is a successful businessman, other than he says it. The easiest way to determine a person's business acumen is to see what they are worth. tax returns would demonstrate this, but he refuses. His whole 'man-of-the-people' facade is a joke. He's no more a man of the people than he is the man in the damn moon. Liquid is running on his supporter's heads from above, but it ain't raining...
"Liberals" are indeed ruining the country, just as fast as their "conservative" brethren. You hit the nail on the head when you said elites behind the scenes are laughing. If you think for a minute that the elites are only on one side of this argument, you could not be more wrong. Divide and conquer is the strategy of the powerful minority, it's been used effectively in this country since the Civil War and continues today. We're all bickering about who should be allowed to do and say what, while they rob us blind. If you listen to politicians from either side you would think that the opposition would be ecstatic with the way things are, yet if you speak to a person who identifies as having an opposing ideology to your own, they aren't. Ever wonder why?
 
Bailey9r said:
In this case it was the pollsters that were not honest. Along with CNN et al
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Hi. Come on. We all know that Hillary and liberals knows what is best for us! Oh I got that wrong it is what is best for there POCKETS. With out pour people they would have nothing, that is why they want to keep us pour. They need the illegals to help [with your tax money] To look good and get there votes. Look up what it cost you for them to give away $1.00. I work for Meals on Wheels there are almost more bosses than workers. I like to help people who need it. But not people that just want yo come here with there hand out for $. I start work at 7AM I start getting payed at 9 AM. The illegals need help so I am sure you do not mind if the Dems raise your taxes by 80% so they can hirer 5 new big money bosses and 1 new worker.
 
Great thread !! It can be used as a deacon for social tolerance. Not one personal attack.

There are many valid points; from the left, middle and right. (in alphabetical order)

" ... ask 10 different people the same question, you'll get 10 different answers ... "

There has been and are major problems on our planet, humans have caused them all. Human ambition and greed being the root causes for them all.

In small groups and for "small" amounts of time; humans coexist in harmony. Eventually someone or a portion of the group takes leadership. The means by which leadership is gained and maintained varies. Religion and war being the most common.

Now; presently; we humans can't agree on history. History is suppose to be factual events from our collective past. Though in the quest for more control, facts no longer matter. Historical events have been rewritten from the perspective of the controlling few. Present and future events will also be written from this perspective. This perpetuates more control.

Left, middle, right, patriot, rebel, zealot; doesn't matter. None have or will ever have true control or power.

 
Most people in Washington are not idealogues. They are Republicans or Democrats because that is their team and their power base. But as far as what they believe, it's no different than the little league team you were assigned to.

But before we tar and feather politician's fake positions, how can a Christian support a president who lies constantly, dishonors women, and who steals? How can a conservative support a president who constantly degrades law enforcement and the intelligence community? Or how can conservatives support a president who spends money like it's going out of style and quips to his staff that he "won't be here to pay the consequences"?

The bottom line is the voters are responsible for this government. We let ourselves be swayed by issues like race that have nothing to do with our livelihoods. Voters facing a future without any health insurance at all vote against Obamacare because it's named after a black president "from Nigeria". If we, the people are suckers, can we complain about being taken advantage of?

For most of this country's existence, Democrats and Republicans were only slightly right or left of center. This made compromise possible, and indeed made the system functional. The right initiated this ideological arms race, but now both sides have retreated to the extremes of left and right. Compromise is not possible - the system is failing.

The constitution is a liberal document. The idea of giving power to the people, filtered only by representational oversight, was radical in a world still full of kingdoms. In it's time it stood as an accomplishment as grand as a walk on the moon. But as enlightened as our founding fathers were, they never contemplated that Americans would purposefully crash the system.
 
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