93 octane vs 87 octane

(qball @ Sep. 23 2006,20:51) Higher octane ratings correlate to higher activation energies. Activation energy is the amount of energy necessary to start a chemical reaction. Since higher octane fuels have higher activation energies, it is less likely that a given compression will cause knocking. (Note that it is the absolute pressure (compression) in the combustion chamber which is important - not the compression ratio. The compression ratio only governs the maximum compression that can be achieved).

It might seem odd that fuels with higher octane ratings burn less easily, yet are popularly thought of as more powerful. The misunderstanding is caused by confusing the ability of the fuel to resist compression detonation (pre-ignition = engine knock) as opposed to the ability of the fuel to burn (combustion). However, premium grades of petrol often contain more energy per litre due to the composition of the fuel as well as increased octane.

A simple explanation is the carbon bonds contain more energy than hydrogen bonds. Hence a fuel with a greater number of carbon bonds will carry more energy regardless of the octane rating. A premium motor fuel will often be formulated to have both higher octane as well as more energy. A counter example to this rule is that ethanol blend fuels have a higher octane rating, but carry a lower energy content on a volume basis (ie per liter or per gallon). The reason for this is that ethanol is a partially oxidized hydrocarbon which can be seen by noting the presence of oxygen in the chemical formula: C2H5OH. Note the substitution of the OH hydroxyl radical for a H hydrogen which transforms the gas ethane (C2H6) (which is an alkane) into ethanol (which is an alcohol). Note that to a certain extent a fuel with a higher carbon ratio will be more dense than a fuel with a lower carbon ratio. Thus it is possible to formulate high octane fuels that carry less energy per liter than lower octane fuels. This is certainly true of ethanol blend fuels (gasohol), however fuels with no ethanol and indeed no oxygen are also possible.

In the case of the alcohol fuels, like Methanol and Ethanol, since they are partially oxidized fuels they need to be run at much richer mixtures than gasoline. As a consequence the total amount of fuel burned per cycle, counter balances the lower energy per unit volume, and the net energy released per cycle is higher. If gasoline is run at its preferred max power air fuel mixture of 12.5:1, it will release approximately 19,000 BTU of energy, where ethanol run at its preferred max power mixture of 6.5:1 will liberate approximately 24,400 BTU, and Methanol at a 4.5:1 AFR liberates about 27,650 BTU.

To account for these differences, a measure called the fuel's specific energy is sometimes used. It is defined as the energy released per air fuel ratio. For the case of gasoline compared to the alcohol fuels the specific energys are as follows.

Fuel Net energy Units
Gasoline 2.92 MJ/kg
Ethanol 3.00 MJ/kg
Methanol 3.08 MJ/kg
Using a fuel with a higher octane lets an engine run at a higher compression without having problems with knock. Actual compression in the combustion chamber is determined by the compression ratio as well as the amount of air restriction in the intake manifold (manifold vacuum) as well as the barometric pressure, which is a function of elevation and weather conditions.

Compression is directly related to power (see engine tuning), so engines that require higher octane usually deliver more power. Engine power is a function of the fuel as well as the engine design and is related to octane ratings of the fuel... power is limited by the maximum amount of fuel-air mixture that can be forced into the combustion chamber. At partial load, only a small fraction of the total available power is produced because the manifold is operating at pressures far below atmospheric. In this case, the octane requirement is far lower than what is available. It is only when the throttle is opened fully and the manifold pressure increases to atmospheric (or higher in the case of supercharged or turbocharged engines) that the full octane requirement is achieved.

Many high-performance engines are designed to operate with a high maximum compression and thus need a high quality (high energy) fuel usually associated with high octane numbers and thus demand high-octane premium gasoline.

The power output of an engine depends on the energy content of its fuel, and this bears no simple relationship to the octane rating. A common myth amongst petrol consumers is that adding a higher octane fuel to a vehicle's engine will increase its performance and/or lessen its fuel consumption; this is mostly false—engines perform best when using fuel with the octane rating they were designed for and any increase in performance by using a fuel with a different octane rating is minimal.

Using high octane fuel for an engine makes a difference when the engine is producing its maximum power. This will occur when the intake manifold has no air restriction and is running at minimum vacuum. Depending on the engine design, this particular circumstance can be anywhere along the RPM range, but is usually easy to pin-point if you can examine a print-out of the power-output (torque values) of an engine. On a typical high-rev'ving motorcycle engine, for example, the maximum power occurs at a point where the movements of the intake and exhaust valves are timed in such a way to maximize the compression loading of the cylinder; although the cylinder is already rising at the time the intake valve closes, the forward speed of the charge coming into the cylinder is high enough to continue to load the air-fuel mixture in.

When this occurs, if a fuel with below recommended octane is used, then the engine will knock. Modern engines have anti-knock provisions built into the control systems and this is usually achieved by dynamically de-tuning the engine while under load by increasing the fuel-air mixture and retarding the spark. Here is a white paper that gives an example: [3] . In this example the engine maximum power is reduced by about 4% with a fuel switch from 93 to 91 octane (11 hp, from 291 to 280 hp). If the engine is being run below maximum load then the difference in octane will have even less effect. The example cited does not indicate at what elevation the test is being conducted or what the barometric pressure is. For each 1000 feet of altitude the atmospheric pressure will drop by a little less than 1 inHg (11 kPa/km). An engine that might require 93 octane at sea level may perform at maximum on a fuel rated at 91 octane if the elevation is over, say, 1000 feet. See also the APC article.
WOW!!!!
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...Didn't understand a word you said
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, but that was impressive!!!!
 
I could tell you how to make paint, but I couldn't understand 80% of what he said.
 
This comes from the manual.
For U.S.A. models use 87 pump octane(R&M/2) method or 91 octane or higher rated by the research method.
For Canadian models the same.
For all other models use 91 octane (research mothod) or higher .
 
I run nothing but the highest pump octane and my bus runs better on it.
It also gets better mileage.
 
I can't tell any difference in my bike between 87 octane and 91 octane, but I do not ride alot at full throttle in any gear. From what I read, the higher octane will not cause any problems even though there may not be a performance gain. With the size of fuel tank on the busa I would estimate the increased cost of a fill up using the higher octane fuel vs. 87 octane to be a couple of dollars more, so if it makes you feel better running the higher octane, may as well go for it.
 
Dang...I haven't been here for awhile, and sure didn't know we have a rocket scientist here...whatever he saying is prolly right...and the...well, I still using 87...works fine with me...
 
Yea what qball New Recruit said
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87 works great! Ethel will get a bit better mpg. my .02.
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I used to run premium and it ran great on my 02. In my 04 I run changed because 87 give you more HP . I don't know exactly why or how come , but if you ask any racer that dynos they will tell you the same results. So I want the HP !!
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uhhh wow...anyones eyes go fuzzy about half way through the octane write up?
 
i've been meaning to try 89 next since i've been running 87 all along. i do have a full system and pcIII but untill i dyno and custom map it i'll check out 89 and see how she feels. seems like a happy medium to me too.
 
after much research, I choose 87 all the time for my bone stock busa. i'm staying out of this one for this go around
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but I will say 100 oct gas at the track turns my ride into a little puppy dog instead of a tiger
 
All I know for sure is that if you run high octane gas in a low compression engine, say 8.5:1, you will carbon up your engine. Not good.

I also know that running 85 octane in my RF900 as to 87 octane my bike gets around 4mpg less and doesn't run quite as smoothe as it does on 87 octane. I'm at 4500 ft. above sea level.
 
<span style='color:royalblue'>I have been running 98 for some years now on my '99 and have no complaints just praises. I only run BP Ultimate, dunno if you have it but heres its site for Australia BP Ultimate</span>
 
Layman's terms..............pretty interesting!

How is octane rating determined?
Gasoline is subjected to two testing methods to establish its octane rating: one, called the motor method, runs
the gasoline in an engine running under load; and the second, the research method, runs the gasoline in a freerunning
engine. The research method gives slightly higher ratings, and the octane number displayed on the
pump is an average of the two methods.

Octane Facts

• Knock occurs when cylinder pressures are high. It is normal for an engine to ping a little at full throttle
because cylinder pressures are very high at full throttle. Engine knock, however, should not be ignored
since it can result in serious damage to the engine.
• High octane gasoline burns slower than low octane gasoline. The slow burn prevents engine knock when
cylinder pressures are high.
• If your engine runs well and does not knock or ping on low octane gasoline, there is no advantage in
switching to higher octane gasoline.
• If your engine knocks or pings, it does not necessarily mean something is wrong with the gasoline. It could
be a problem with the engine’s electronic control systems, ignition timing or exhaust gas recirculation. On a
high mileage engine, a carbon build-up in the cylinders can increase cylinder pressures and cause knock.
• Almost all of today’s new cars have fuel-injected engines that need to use gasoline with a detergent additive.
They do not necessarily need high octane gasoline with a detergent additive. Generally, new automobiles
need high octane gasoline only if the manufacturer recommends it.
• Always follow the auto manufacturer’s octane recommendations in your owner’s manual.

Octane Myths

• High octane gasoline improves mileage.
In general, if your car is designed to run on 87 octane gasoline, high octane gasoline will not improve
mileage. If switching to high octane gasoline does improve mileage, you might find that your engine, or its
control systems, need repair.
• High octane gasoline gives quicker starting.
No, it doesn’t.
• High octane gasoline increases power.
If your car is designed to run on 87 octane gasoline, you shouldn’t notice any more power on high octane
gasoline. Again, if it does make a noticeable difference, your engine, or the engine’s electronic control
systems, may need repair.
• High octane gasoline has been refined more – it is just a better product.
Additional refining steps are used to increase the octane; however, these additional steps do not necessarily
make the gasoline a “better†product for all engines. They just yield a different blend of hydrocarbons that
burn more slowly. The additional steps also increase the price.


The Minnesota Department of Commerce, Weights and Measures Division regularly checks the quality,
safety and labeling of motor fuels, heating fuels and gasoline sold in Minnesota.
The Division also ensures the accuracy of all commercial transactions in the state involving products that are
weighed ore measured. These products include grain, produce, livestock and gasoline.
For more information on these services, contact the Minnesota Department of Commerce, Weights and
Measures Division, 2277 Highway36, St. Paul, MN 55113-3800, Phone: 651-215-5821.
 
(Poppy @ Oct. 06 2006,20:10) Layman's terms..............pretty interesting!

How is octane rating determined?
Gasoline is subjected to two testing methods to establish its octane rating: one, called the motor method, runs
the gasoline in an engine running under load; and the second, the research method, runs the gasoline in a freerunning
engine. The research method gives slightly higher ratings, and the octane number displayed on the
pump is an average of the two methods.

Octane Facts

• Knock occurs when cylinder pressures are high. It is normal for an engine to ping a little at full throttle
because cylinder pressures are very high at full throttle. Engine knock, however, should not be ignored
since it can result in serious damage to the engine.
• High octane gasoline burns slower than low octane gasoline. The slow burn prevents engine knock when
cylinder pressures are high.
• If your engine runs well and does not knock or ping on low octane gasoline, there is no advantage in
switching to higher octane gasoline.
• If your engine knocks or pings, it does not necessarily mean something is wrong with the gasoline. It could
be a problem with the engine’s electronic control systems, ignition timing or exhaust gas recirculation. On a
high mileage engine, a carbon build-up in the cylinders can increase cylinder pressures and cause knock.
• Almost all of today’s new cars have fuel-injected engines that need to use gasoline with a detergent additive.
They do not necessarily need high octane gasoline with a detergent additive. Generally, new automobiles
need high octane gasoline only if the manufacturer recommends it.
• Always follow the auto manufacturer’s octane recommendations in your owner’s manual.

Octane Myths

• High octane gasoline improves mileage.
In general, if your car is designed to run on 87 octane gasoline, high octane gasoline will not improve
mileage. If switching to high octane gasoline does improve mileage, you might find that your engine, or its
control systems, need repair.
• High octane gasoline gives quicker starting.
No, it doesn’t.
• High octane gasoline increases power.
If your car is designed to run on 87 octane gasoline, you shouldn’t notice any more power on high octane
gasoline. Again, if it does make a noticeable difference, your engine, or the engine’s electronic control
systems, may need repair.
• High octane gasoline has been refined more – it is just a better product.
Additional refining steps are used to increase the octane; however, these additional steps do not necessarily
make the gasoline a “better†product for all engines. They just yield a different blend of hydrocarbons that
burn more slowly. The additional steps also increase the price.


The Minnesota Department of Commerce, Weights and Measures Division regularly checks the quality,
safety and labeling of motor fuels, heating fuels and gasoline sold in Minnesota.
The Division also ensures the accuracy of all commercial transactions in the state involving products that are
weighed ore measured. These products include grain, produce, livestock and gasoline.
For more information on these services, contact the Minnesota Department of Commerce, Weights and
Measures Division, 2277 Highway36, St. Paul, MN 55113-3800, Phone: 651-215-5821.
Thank you
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Hey, if YOU feel better runing a higher octane, go for it
 
I have used premium in my Busa, but I could not tell any difference in performance, idle, starting......BUT....I don't drag race, I have NOT remapped anything, i only have bolt-ons, not a full system, so what's the point of premium octane when it's shown to have no results? I'll use the extra dollars saved, per tank, for something else.
 
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