250th Mass Shooting in 215 Days



Mr Brown

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I don’t have a problem with requiring a little time for a solid background check before a gun as long as it wasn’t turned into something that took months to complete. As for forced institutionalization, I agree that who gets to decide is a slippery slope. Not going to solve it all here.
Technology exists which enables almost instant verification of identity, surely it could be adapted for firearm ownership. That still doesn't solve the underground access which criminals have, but actual enforcement of existing law would stem that flow considerably.
 

fallenarch

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We can't even have an honest discussion here about this. White males are the new predators. They are not crazy, they are radicalized. Many of them are very religious also. I think a black or brown person who is for gun control at this point is crazy, we're going to need them soon. History is full of instances where minorities were victimized in this country by armed white terrorists. As the saying goes, ignore the lessons of history and we are doomed to repeat them.

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ROADTOAD1340

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If I lived in America and had a young family , I could see that there would be times I'd could be very worried about their general safety , so I would do everything in my power , be armed and ready as best I could to try to ensure their safety . Too late to get rid of guns in the US , far too much money being made for one . The best option imo , definitely fixing mental health services , would / could be a good start to stopping some of the senseless deaths , and I am also talking about Australia's record of neglecting this area as well .
 

Mr Brown

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We can't even have an honest discussion here about this. White males are the new predators. They are not crazy, they are radicalized. Many of them are very religious also. I think a black or brown person who is for gun control at this point is crazy, we're going to need them soon. History is full of instances where minorities were victimized in this country by armed white terrorists. As the saying goes, ignore the lessons of history and we are doomed to repeat them.

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A few things I'd like to point out, while yes white men have historically oppressed people of color, given the disproportionate way in which they have help power, that is to be expected.
Your statement implies that if people of color are armed, this oppression is less likely to occur and that is a fantasy. Oppression and victimization occur with the click of a key or stroke of a pen, firearm ownership will do nothing to prevent the cultural, industrial and financial setbacks suffered by communities of color from repeating.
Far from being predators, radicalized white males are the victims of propaganda. They have been taught that minorities and women have jumped in line ahead of them and plundered the bounty of the country, bounty that was rightfully theirs. They have become an extension of the extremely successful divide and conquer strategy employed by the true elite in this country since the time of slavery. You can hear echoes of this in today's political rhetoric, wealthy white men (access to power provided by wealth being key, not race) recognize that in order to keep control of the lower classes they must continue to pit us against each other. No amount of firearm ownership is going to change that.
 

08BusaKY

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We can't even have an honest discussion here about this. White males are the new predators. They are not crazy, they are radicalized. Many of them are very religious also. I think a black or brown person who is for gun control at this point is crazy, we're going to need them soon. History is full of instances where minorities were victimized in this country by armed white terrorists. As the saying goes, ignore the lessons of history and we are doomed to repeat them.

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In most every major city across the country many more blacks have been killed by other blacks. Also there are innocent people caught in the cross fire who have been killed. It has been going on for decades and nothing seems to be done about it. It is never a big talking point with politicians.

Does this concern you?

I don't know the racial makeup of the Dayton victims but he killed his own sister in the shooting. He arrived there with her.

We don't need more racial divide we need solutions to these mass shootings as well as black on black shootings. Also other gang shootings.

The radical whites seem to be the ones in Antifa. The others that have done these shootings are messed up in the head. Some effect of social changes in the past few decades.

It is a complex problem.

As a constitutional libertarian, I’m not sensitive about guns. I’m sensitive about rights and liberty. The constitution is clear about these things. “Shall not be infringed” doesn’t mean that if enough shootings happen we can give up the right to have a gun.

Mass shootings are a terrible thing. There’s no doubt about that but a tyrannical government is much worst. One only has to look to Venezuela right now, or Germany in the past to see what happens when law abiding citizens are disarmed for the “greater good” of the many.
The laws you mentioned would not stop mass shootings. Also there would be more black market guns.
 

Jbaby1969

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In most every major city across the country many more blacks have been killed by other blacks. Also there are innocent people caught in the cross fire who have been killed. It has been going on for decades and nothing seems to be done about it. It is never a big talking point with politicians.

Does this concern you?

I don't know the racial makeup of the Dayton victims but he killed his own sister in the shooting. He arrived there with her.

We don't need more racial divide we need solutions to these mass shootings as well as black on black shootings. Also other gang shootings.

The radical whites seem to be the ones in Antifa. The others that have done these shootings are messed up in the head. Some effect of social changes in the past few decades.

It is a complex problem.


The laws you mentioned would not stop mass shootings. Also there would be more black market guns.
Did you mean to quote someone else? I didn’t mention any laws to prevent the shootings.
 

jellyrug

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We can't even have an honest discussion here about this. White males are the new predators. They are not crazy, they are radicalized. Many of them are very religious also. I think a black or brown person who is for gun control at this point is crazy, we're going to need them soon. History is full of instances where minorities were victimized in this country by armed white terrorists. As the saying goes, ignore the lessons of history and we are doomed to repeat them.

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I am totally color blind. It happened after a bit of education and life experience, which taught me not to put labels on people. I hope that one day you will join me.
 

08BusaKY

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I found this out about the Ohio shooter.

Twitter suspended an account Sunday evening allegedly linked to the gunman who killed nine and wounded dozens outside a Dayton, Ohio, bar early Sunday morning, after several reports identified the account and noted its left-wing political orientation.

The user, “@iamthespookster,” identified as a “leftist,” according to the Twitter profile. The suspended account tweeted in support of socialism, against the election of President Donald Trump, and in favor of Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) for president in 2020.
 

atlbusa

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We can't even have an honest discussion here about this. White males are the new predators. They are not crazy, they are radicalized. Many of them are very religious also. I think a black or brown person who is for gun control at this point is crazy, we're going to need them soon. History is full of instances where minorities were victimized in this country by armed white terrorists. As the saying goes, ignore the lessons of history and we are doomed to repeat them.

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"white males are the new predators" Who was the old "predators". The reason you think this is because that's what the media wants you to hear. Look at the FBI statistics and that does not support this.
Hate crime offenders - White 51% yet whites make up 64% Black 21% make up 12% So how is it that the white people are the predators when they have less hate crime offenders per capita?

The reason for these "white predators" is not because of radicalizing, it is because of 3 things, 1 - The extreme rise in single motherhood, lack of father figures in young males lives, 2 - along with that lack of discipline for bad actions, and 3 - people scared to call out people with mental problems because they don't want to offend them. People are people,

I am the very typical white guy, and yes most of the people in my social circle are white, and I can tell you there is no racial talk or belittling of other races. I truly believe that many people of color think that white people sit around and think of ways to prey on minorities. I believe if people would tone down the racial rhetoric and call out true racist acts when they occur that it would help out relations between different cultures.
 

fallenarch

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"white males are the new predators" Who was the old "predators". The reason you think this is because that's what the media wants you to hear. Look at the FBI statistics and that does not support this.
Hate crime offenders - White 51% yet whites make up 64% Black 21% make up 12% So how is it that the white people are the predators when they have less hate crime offenders per capita?

The reason for these "white predators" is not because of radicalizing, it is because of 3 things, 1 - The extreme rise in single motherhood, lack of father figures in young males lives, 2 - along with that lack of discipline for bad actions, and 3 - people scared to call out people with mental problems because they don't want to offend them. People are people,

I am the very typical white guy, and yes most of the people in my social circle are white, and I can tell you there is no racial talk or belittling of other races. I truly believe that many people of color think that white people sit around and think of ways to prey on minorities. I believe if people would tone down the racial rhetoric and call out true racist acts when they occur that it would help out relations between different cultures.
Hilary labeled black males, specifically young males as "Predators" in the 80's. She was referring to the people who society is afraid of as the walk down the street basically. Stopping the white supremacist will require some invasive crime fighting methodologies - just as it has for inner city black crime and Islamic terrorism. It will be interesting to see if they will go after it like they have other types of crime. It's not fake news, cat's out of the bag gentleman.
 

fallenarch

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I am totally color blind. It happened after a bit of education and life experience, which taught me not to put labels on people. I hope that one day you will join me.
I don't believe anyone is color blind (myself included). The best of us will suppress our initial reactions to allow actual experience to prove or disprove our suspicions.
 

fallenarch

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Does this concern you?
Of course it does but it has nothing to do with this issue. I have relatives in LA, New York and Chicago. The killing is crazy and out of control but it is not a political priority (remember we don't run things). But generally for the most part to end up a victim you or a relative have to either be mixed up in the wrong activities or in the wrong locations for a bullet to come your way in most cities.

This new mass shooting thing is random and happens in traditionally "safe zones". There is no real logic to the where or when. It's a perplexing issue to resolve. It's difficult to even figure out how to address it.

I was aggressive in my OP about the racial aspect of this because it is central to a response. We (black & brown people) are used to the generalization fingers pointing our way. As are muslims. But whites are not used to being grouped in with the most undesirable of their race. So sorry if I offended anyone but that's the way I see it - I welcome other points of view on this.

Certainly interesting times we are living in.
 

atlbusa

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Like I said the media drives americans beliefs. In 2015 there was 371 "mass shootings". I heard that there are more mass shootings than days this year, well like I said in 2015 there was "more mass shootings than days". This year is not as unusual as the media would like you to believe!

This is just the media trying to push the racist talking point to support the politicians view for the 2020 elections
 

Mr Brown

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"white males are the new predators" Who was the old "predators". The reason you think this is because that's what the media wants you to hear. Look at the FBI statistics and that does not support this.
Hate crime offenders - White 51% yet whites make up 64% Black 21% make up 12% So how is it that the white people are the predators when they have less hate crime offenders per capita?

The reason for these "white predators" is not because of radicalizing, it is because of 3 things, 1 - The extreme rise in single motherhood, lack of father figures in young males lives, 2 - along with that lack of discipline for bad actions, and 3 - people scared to call out people with mental problems because they don't want to offend them. People are people,

I am the very typical white guy, and yes most of the people in my social circle are white, and I can tell you there is no racial talk or belittling of other races. I truly believe that many people of color think that white people sit around and think of ways to prey on minorities. I believe if people would tone down the racial rhetoric and call out true racist acts when they occur that it would help out relations between different cultures.
The "old predators" are those who are portrayed as responsible for violence, crime and general wickedness. The US has a long and ugly history of painting men of color in this light.
The statistics don't tell the whole story, it's not as simple as who commits what crimes against whom. There are other factors at play in the way in which Americans visit violence on each other and how this information is collected and dispersed.
The war on drugs and associated policies has had more to do with the removal of male role models from communities of color than anything else, yet illegal drugs are overwhelmingly consumed by white Americans.
Mental illness is a huge problem, the current situation was created by the closing of institutions in the 1980's by Reagan, in the name of reducing government. Thousands of people were literally put out on the street without the capacity or skills necessary to function in society.
I agree that some people of color believe that white folks sit around and think of ways to prey on minorities, and I also think that this is not accurate accounting of the majority of white Americans. I do think however that while most white people are not actively racist, they are too uninformed or unwilling to become involved in problems they see as not concerning them. For example the clever manipulation of the national anthem protest. Some white people seem more concerned with some perceived slight against a nation than they are about the rate at which young black men are killed by the police, which is the issue the protest was designed to draw attention to.
I agree completely about the describing everything as 'racist' when it isn't. All that does is take away from the actions and words which actually are, and make it more difficult for people to be held accountable for them.
 

08BusaKY

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Of course it does but it has nothing to do with this issue. I have relatives in LA, New York and Chicago. The killing is crazy and out of control but it is not a political priority (remember we don't run things). But generally for the most part to end up a victim you or a relative have to either be mixed up in the wrong activities or in the wrong locations for a bullet to come your way in most cities.

This new mass shooting thing is random and happens in traditionally "safe zones". There is no real logic to the where or when. It's a perplexing issue to resolve. It's difficult to even figure out how to address it.

I was aggressive in my OP about the racial aspect of this because it is central to a response. We (black & brown people) are used to the generalization fingers pointing our way. As are muslims. But whites are not used to being grouped in with the most undesirable of their race. So sorry if I offended anyone but that's the way I see it - I welcome other points of view on this.

Certainly interesting times we are living in.
There are mass shootings by other than white people too (e.g. Fort Hood, the Navel Base, the night club in FL and more). Plus all the shootings by white people do not always target minorities.

The Ohio shooter was a DEM who praised an Antifa member who attacked an ICE facility. He also shot his sister and other whites.

I think we need to eliminate gun free zones. That would deter some mass shootings as well as cut them short. I do believe training should be required to carry but people need to be allowed to carry.
 

fallenarch

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A few things I'd like to point out, while yes white men have historically oppressed people of color, given the disproportionate way in which they have help power, that is to be expected.
Your statement implies that if people of color are armed, this oppression is less likely to occur and that is a fantasy. Oppression and victimization occur with the click of a key or stroke of a pen, firearm ownership will do nothing to prevent the cultural, industrial and financial setbacks suffered by communities of color from repeating.
Far from being predators, radicalized white males are the victims of propaganda. They have been taught that minorities and women have jumped in line ahead of them and plundered the bounty of the country, bounty that was rightfully theirs. They have become an extension of the extremely successful divide and conquer strategy employed by the true elite in this country since the time of slavery. You can hear echoes of this in today's political rhetoric, wealthy white men (access to power provided by wealth being key, not race) recognize that in order to keep control of the lower classes they must continue to pit us against each other. No amount of firearm ownership is going to change that.
I don't think these things will happen like a whole-country revolution or "race war". They will be isolated events in smaller zones. Not sure how you can say a kid who walks into a church and then opens fire is not a predator? Look at things like the Burning of Black Wall Street, or any of the large race riots of the early 1900's.

Most whites are good people and just want to live their lives peacefully. But I think people (White & Black) are rationalizing all of this and ignoring signs that things are following a path that we have seen before.
 

Mr Brown

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There are mass shootings by other than white people too (e.g. Fort Hood, the Naval Base, the night club in FL and more). Plus all the shootings by white people do not always target minorities.
Yes, you are right on both points, but these types of crimes are more often carried out by white males than any other group.

The Ohio shooter was a DEM who praised an Antifa member who attacked an ICE facility. He also shot his sister and other whites.
I saw you referenced this earlier, wonder what the democratic party will have to say about it if it's accurate. Their response will be interesting.

I think we need to eliminate gun free zones. That would deter some mass shootings as well as cut them short. I do believe training should be required to carry but people need to be allowed to carry.
Ohio is an open carry state, this person was nuetralized by police response not private citizens. Open and concealed carry laws often provide a false sense of security. I'm in favor of allowing them with training, as you said.
 
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