Suicide attacks!

[ks-waterbug]

What is wrong with people? I don't understand this tactic........Makes no sense.

[Big Wall]

It's just a desperate attempt by powerless people.

Go USA!!!!!! (and the rest!)

[Narcissus]

What is there not to understand? Walk towards target, utter some words, push button, enjoy an after life with your 1000 vestal virgins. Any religious extremist can do it.

Seriously, though...

[Big O]

As much as you believe in your religion, these people believe in thiers. *Maybe to the point of being a fanatic. *But these people are not crazy. *They have a cause, something to fight for, and in their heart of hearts, they believe in what they are doing, and will blow themselves up as long as it takes other people with them.
Can you imagine?!!
Start to...
Their families will be taken care of if they do this.
They will be considered heroes.
Young children say they want to be suicide bombers too.
They throw ROCKS at Israeli tanks.
A friend of mine at work asked the same question about suicide bombers. *I said, Imagine your family in Palestine (remeber Palestine) *has owned the same piece of land for the last 200 years and then someone comes and says, "This is ours now, move" and razes your house. *You have no gun, and they have an army. *With the above stated religious beliefs, what would you do?
Powerless?... *9/11
Make no mistake. *I support this war 100%. *It has to be done. *But we must understand our adversary, and we don't.

[STUNNAH]

This tactic is common in most Middle Eastern countries...They have been at war with one another throughout history...Remember some of the photo's from the past that included small children armed with rifle's bigger than the child...War is the way of their society and it is not limited to conventional warfare...Suicide bombing have forever taken place in those countries...So why should we assumed that they would not be used in this campaign...Wake up coalition and start to expect the unexpected...That's why I have a great fear on the coalition's entry into Baghdad...I believe it is based exactly upon what brennanop wrote in his thread...The bomber's become hero's and believe that they have made the ulitimate religious sacrifice...When one is that concrete with what they believe there is nothing that can be done to stop them...

[Thinker62]

Clearly, they strongly believe in life after death. That is what I call faith baby. A lot of people call them cowards. For example the pilots who flew into the towers were called cowards. I, on the other hand, feel like they are extremely brave....stupid maybe, but brave.

[Big Wall]

By powerless I meant only that these suicide attacks in the war are more of a mosquito bite than say a godzilla attack. These people are really powerless to put a stop to our advance. Yes they are doing their part to help their cause but overall it is not much more than an anoyance, other than the loss of lives. As far as 911 goes, it really did nothing to put a stop to what the USA stands for or change our lifestyle.

I support our cause and our troops to the fullest. May they come home safe and soon.

[mikeyusf]

here is the funny part. These terrorists are used to preying on innocent people. People who are sitting at a cafe eating a sandwich, or riding a bus to work. Terrorists cant even hold a candle the brutal firepower we've equipped our soldiers with.

For every terrorist that sneaks through and blows himself up, we'll rage on 1,000 with an A-10.

It's just a coward tactic, used by the powerless and desperate to kill innocent people.

I used to have a video I found. In Israel, a terrorist had some of his explosives go off on accident in an alley, injuring only himself. The minor blast cut him in half, but he was still alive and breathing. Here is the funny part. Knowing he was wired, the police evacuated the nearby houses, and waved "bye bye" to him with a smile as they rolled a robot to detonate the rest of the explosives, shearing this piece of sh*t into about 1,000 pieces on TV

You could see the smiles on the police officers knowing that no one was injured except for him, and this terrorist piece of sh*t watched death come in the form of a robot and a smiling police officer with a Futaba remote.

Pure sweet justice, that f*ckin coward got what he deserved, I only wish I pushed the button


Mike

[FLCN72]

The suicide bombers are products of a set of radical, quasi-religious, political doctrines that teach young men to hate something else more than they value their own lives. These messages of intolerance, hatred, and desperation are present in the daily lives of many people worldwide. It is a nearly inescapable bombardment of ideology with little or no counter examples permitted. This is especially true in the Middle East, where outright lies are told about America and few people have access to accurate information about us.

These suicide bombers do believe in their cause. But what other cause have they ever had a fair chance to learn about? How many have gone to their deaths believing their actions would delay or even prevent America from destroying their homes, families, or nations? Think for a moment of the level of hate it takes to commit one other those acts. How much festering resentment, intolerance, and twisted duty does it take to turn a promising young life into a walking bomb? How many sermons given by angry old men (who won’t risk their own lives) does it take to make a suicide attack sound like a good thing to do?

The great irony of all this is that the Moslem Middle East used to be the center of religious, cultural, and racial tolerance. So long as you paid your taxes and didn’t stir up trouble, anyone was welcome to live in peace. All the better if you were an artist or scholar. These past cultures had for several hundred years a near monopoly on libraries, learning, medicine, education, architecture, and mathematics research. Europe was… well… in the Dark Ages… and not unlike the Middle East is now.

I like history. I’ve learned a bit over the years. But I have never learned how or why those Middle Eastern cultures of the past died to give rise to those we have now. What a profound change. And sad.

[Racer 222]

FLCN72? Are you Falcon Cop from LAbusas? Just curious.

ON Subject. When I was defending a special ops base in Pakistan last year a Pakistani wrote an editorial on the subject of where did Arab greatness go? (HE WAS KILLED THAT NIGHT) But his words had truth. He basically said that the Arab world once the center of culture in the world never modernized. We as a people(Arab) seem to be moving backwards as the rest of the world moves forward. Then we hate the west because they won't pay respect to our past. He then went on to write that America wasn't even discovered by Europe before the decline of the Arab world as the world leader. SIDE NOTE: I have long argued that no one could discover America if people already lived here(Native Americans!)

He pointed to the Taliban and there interpretation of Islam. Well he died for writing that piece. I guess we aren't the only intolerant ones.

Also again. We seperate religion and government. Most of the rest of the world doesn't.

Marc "Howlin Mad"

[FLCN72]

Howlin_Mad, I have an account with LaBusas but it is under FLCN72 -- and I haven't posted there much. So, nope I'm not Falcon Cop.

Pakistani freedom of speech in action, huh?

[Racer 222]

We as Americans take for granted the freedoms that we have. The rest of the world is not as free as we are.

God Bless America and the UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS!

Marc "Howlin Mad"

[Odyssey]

Its sad how many people die because of what they believe. But it happens everywhere, even in the US. It seems to me religion plays the biggest role in how people think.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...People need to start realizing what they believe just might be wrong. But, all the religions i can think of are against that, so it not likely to ever happen. ah, but what ya gonna do? cant change people minds.

[Racer 222]

Od,
When I first joined the Marines. My Drill Instructor told me that we are in the idea business. Politicians go around the world an put ideas of peace and democracy in peoples heads. (Then he pulls out a 5.56MM bullet) Says if that doesn't take then we will have to put this in there head instead. Not to be funny but that is exactly how it works, so it seems.

Marc "Howlin Mad"

[Odyssey]

Yeah, i heard something similar in ROTC, the Lt. Col. was such a funny guy, lol

[dezzy7]

Actually I give em their just kudos. I'm reminded of the US-British War. americans knew they could never beat a well trained and well armed British Army on their terms, so Colonial americans turned to guerilla tactics using the land and resources they had to attack the enemy. I think we all to often forget about the AMERICAN HEROES who was medals and fame by charging machine guns mounds with nothing but a bayonet, or guys who dived onto a hand grenade to save their friends and comrades. They are no different than the suicide bomber in that they are willing to give their life for the cause and their comrades. Fanatics?? Thats the same thing they said about the early Christians who choose death rather than denounce their "one god" and worship ceasar. Fanaticism is usually defined my the majority as it mistkenly tries to explain the behavior of the minority IMHO.

[Racer 222]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Thinker62 @ Mar. 31 2003,8:22)]Clearly, they strongly believe in life after death. That is what I call faith baby. A lot of people call them cowards. For example the pilots who flew into the towers were called cowards. I, on the other hand, feel like they are extremely brave....stupid maybe, but brave.

With this thinking (Thinker62) I guess you would think that Tim McVeigh is a brave man too? *I have a hard time thinking of Mass Murders as brave. *Killing non combatants is the mark of a coward!

What would you think of a Servicemen from our country going into an Iraqi school and blowing himself up killing the teachers and students because he found out that they were torturing our POW's? *Would you still think him brave or would you think we were out of control?


Marc "Howlin Mad"

[pure_ego]

I may be speaking out of turn.. but I sorta understand what Thinkie is saying... maybe he just didn't explain his position enough or something... or I could be way off... hhehe.

I think what he meant by a suicide being "brave" was that you would have to have alot of faith, and be pretty brave to knowingly kill yourself while killing your enemy.

Not brave in the sense of .. "look at me, I killed all these people"... but brave like.. "Look at me, I have brass balls enough to intentionally do something I KNOW is going to kill me." ...

Like driving the busa into a building at 150mph or something.
I'm not sure I'd be brave enough to do it to kill 4000 of America's "enemies".. be it civilians, or soldiers, or whatever..

as stated before.. I may be way off, and I'm sure thinker will explain it further. That was just the way I read it.... of course I've read a BUNCH of thinkers posts over the months and I'm pretty sure it's just a minor misunderstanding.

[Racer 222]

Well I guess I won't see this point. I can't say that suicide is a brave act. Especially taking non combatants with you. Throwing yourself on a grenade to save your buddies is one thing... This totally something else. I find no Honor in killing non combatants.

Is the guy that kills his wife for cheating on him then kills himself brave?

Marc "Howlin Mad"

[Thinker62]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Howlin_Mad @ April 03 2003,11:00)]

With this thinking (Thinker62) I guess you would think that Tim McVeigh is a brave man too? *I have a hard time thinking of Mass Murders as brave. *Killing non combatants is the mark of a coward!

What would you think of a Servicemen from our country going into an Iraqi school and blowing himself up killing the teachers and students because he found out that they were torturing our POW's? *Would you still think him brave or would you think we were out of control?


Marc "Howlin Mad"

Mark, read it again. I never said that mass killing (murder by our definition-war by theirs) is brave. I said that any idiot who would get on a plane and drive it into a building, knowing he is going to die, is not a coward. He is brave. He is a brave idiot! It just makes us feel better when we call them cowards.

Tim McVeigh didn't kill himself, so the situation doesn't apply to the subject.

Killing non combatants is the mark of a coward!
[/quote]
How do you connect killing non-combatants with cowardice? I don't get it, unless your point is that they are affraid to face the combatants. But if they are willing to die, that doesn't make sense either. What would we have them do when due to technology, we can kill them from many kilometers away? How "should" they fight when they can't get to the combatants? As I said in another thread, I think it is bull that we get to make the rules about what is proper and acceptable in warfare. I think a lot of US servicemen got killed in Vietnam because they thought that everybody was going to play by the rules. They were surprised when kids and woman attacked them. When you are under the gun, you do what it takes. When your homeland is at risk, everyone becomes a combatant. I say, if you are at war, be at war. Expect him to try to kill you as best he can. Only *the winning team will try to follow any particular ettiquette (hope I spelled this right this time).

What would you think of a Servicemen from our country going into an Iraqi school and blowing himself up killing the teachers and students because he found out that they were torturing our POW's? *Would you still think him brave or would you think we were out of control?
[/quote]

I would agree that they are out of control. However, I do not believe that the concept "Brave" is opposite of "Out of control". I think a suicide bomber is stupid, and probably out of control. Further, I don't agree with killing non-combatants. I just don't go along with the connection to cowardice. When we drop a bomb, as accurate as they may be, there is non-combatant collateral damage. Are we therefore cowards? I think not! We are just trying to win!