thanks poppy... i may not be able to afford going every year or in spring and in fall or even fall only.. i do understand the reluctance on starting the "gathering" again. i was there when it started to break down and the wedge was driven. those who feel they have to choose when they go and because there is more than one option, i understand. It was equally frustrating when it happened a few years back and forced people, who dont live in the area, to be limited by vacation time, money and have to decide themselves what they could and couldn't do. i do understand. me speaking on here, encouraging others to join me, in no way, is disrespectful to those caught in that dilemma of "when should i go". me and my family have only gone to the original weekend in the spring and made our friends there. its what we know and who we know. those i care about that dont make it there, i have made trips to spend time with them outside of the bash. truly all i want is people to know i am going, encourage them to join me, but in no way will i be upset if they cant make it for whatever reason. i am again trying to explain to the best of my ability, my true intent and thoughts so folks dont misunderstand me. (trust me people misunderstand me) i firmly believe we only do things for our own selfish gain. i am not doing this for recognition, fame, money (even HIH i do not make a dime off of its all divided equally to make it as inexpensive as possible, most of the time the entire weekend cost less than one night in a hotel food included) i am doing this for friends... thats it..friends. so forgive me, if to anyone, i appear i am doing this for something or another. it is not my intent. i want to meet new people, i want to gain friends, people who write to me on facebook often, call me sometimes in the middle of the night for laughs. THIS is what i have gained by doing what i do, join me... thanks for listening all, and thanks for those who became and remain my friends...chris.