Last remark of Obama's speech in VA last night...

[Southside Playa]

Originally Posted by runeight

Well, to a point, yes. The big part was due to the last four years. 650 million spent on campaign with a Liberal Media and yes, you want something for your money.

Now, if you want stupid go to Pennsylvania where John Murtha was re-elected after calling the Citizens of Pennsylvana "bible thumping, gun toting uneducated rednecks".

Stupid is as stupid does.

r8

That's cause they are all related to him, and you can't screw over family!!

[Southside Playa]

Originally Posted by Projekt

You have a way with words..

+1 That shid was almost comical. Something tells me that he has been wanting to say that for a long time.



Sorry OE, no gold teeth here, my pants are up, and I ain't hanging on the corner!!

[CrashBomb]

Originally Posted by Over_Easy

My parents, their parents and their parents, etc. all come from Western border area of PA and I have not witnessed this great, can't miss, RACIST civilization you and Mertha make it out to be. I'm not saying rednecks don't exist or that all people will accept a black person as being theirequal...heck, I live in FL and have lived in TX, AL, GA, MO & KY.

But to say there is justification for Mertha to say what he did the way he did because it may be prevelant in that part of PA is ignorant. Because if a conservative politician were to proclaim that the "gun-totin', gold teeth, jean droppin', street corner negros" will have an impact on voting the guy would be drawn and quartered by the liberal and conservative media and then for those same people of their district to vote that man in office reflects their level of intelligence. That is truth.

You missed my point entirely. Let me explain it again. No one called anyone a "bible thumpin'" anything, he didn't say everyone in western Pennsylvania was "ignorant" or "uneducated." There was no "gun-totin'" statement. The quote that r8 offered up as proof of "stupidity" simply does not and did not exist. THAT is truth.

John Murtha never said that "the citizens of Pennsylvania are bible thumping, gun toting, uneducated rednecks." That is truth.

John Murtha said; (this is a DIRECT quote, this is EXACTLY what the man said to Eddie Blazina, a friend of mine, who has been a staff writer for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette for nearly ten years.)
"There is no question that Western Pennsylvania is a racist area."
That is truth, end of line.

I have seen it reflected in campaign signs in yards:
"The U.S. will never elect a ni@@er president!"
"No coon in '08. Vote American. Vote McCain."
"Ni@@ers don't live in the WHITE house."

at buisnesses:
"Hussein Osama will destroy America."
"All Muslims out of the U.S."
"January 20th, assassination day."
"It's called the WHITE house for a reason."

There was a theater in Mercer that took the showtimes off of it's marquee to provide the space for the following:
"Wanted
Obama
dead or more dead
reward 50 cents."
That is truth.

No one claimed it was a "great racist civilization," you're putting words in my mouth and in John Murtha's mouth. But unless you went through high school here and have actually seen it for yourself I doubt you have the slightest idea how prejudiced people in this area really can be. What we DO have is a definite undercurrent of prejudice that often rears its head when the area or the country are faced with racial issues.
THAT is truth.

During this election season there have been fights in downtown New Castle, a girl in Pittsburgh scratched a B on her face with a plastic knife and told the police a seven foot tall, three hundred pound black man did it because he saw her McCain bumper sticker, cars in Mercer county were spray painted, homes in Beaver county were vandalized, black students at Shenango high school received threatening phone calls, and there were bomb threats. The house of the only black family in Pulaski burned down last week, the further the investigation goes the more it's looking like arson. Don't tell me that the area doesn't suffer from prejudice, I live here. I see it every single day. And yes, that is truth.

[TruWrecks]

It will certainly "change the world" when the largest "Free" nation becomes the largest "Socialist" nation.

[05 Busa LE]

I was born and raised in Western Pennsylvania, and I'm offended by those who would categorize me, my family, and my friends--without even knowing us.

I'm an educated, caucasian male, and not only did I vote for Barack Obama, but I also contributed to his campaign. And many of my friends did the same because we saw the man, not his color.

Take a few minutes and really listen (or read) what your President-Elect has to say--not what someone else has told you what he said. You'll see a man who's dedicated to helping the people of this Country.

www.barackobama.com

[CrashBomb]

Originally Posted by 05 Busa LE

I was born and raised in Western Pennsylvania, and I'm offended by those who would categorize me, my family, and my friends--without even knowing us.

I'm an educated, caucasian male, and not only did I vote for Barack Obama, but I also contributed to his campaign. And many of my friends did the same because we saw the man, not his color.

Take a few minutes and really listen (or read) what your President-Elect has to say--not what someone else has told you what he said. You'll see a man who's dedicated to helping the people of this Country.

www.barackobama.com

Where did you grow up? I was born and raised here as well and am in the same group as you are when it comes to race and education. I voted the same way you did and for the same reason. But I also have seen a pretty distinct undercurrent of racism here for most of my life. This election brought it out more than I've seen in a long time.

[SKINN]

Originally Posted by 05 busa le

i was born and raised in western pennsylvania, and i'm offended by those who would categorize me, my family, and my friends--without even knowing us.

I'm an educated, caucasian male, and not only did i vote for barack obama, but i also contributed to his campaign. And many of my friends did the same because we saw the man, not his color.

Take a few minutes and really listen (or read) what your president-elect has to say--not what someone else has told you what he said. You'll see a man who's dedicated to helping the people of this country.

www.barackobama.com

[99'busa]

Originally Posted by CrashBomb

I have seen it reflected in campaign signs in yards:
"The U.S. will never elect a ni@@er president!"
"No coon in '08. Vote American. Vote McCain."
"Ni@@ers don't live in the WHITE house."

.

You got to be kidding me!?!

If that was my neighbor I would be beating someone till the cops took me to jail.

[CrashBomb]

Kidding? I wish I was. I've lost a serious amount of respect for some people that I thought I knew. I'm truly sorry that some people around here made such an issue of things that should never have been an issue. I'm afraid that there's going to be bitterness for some time.

[99'busa]

Originally Posted by CrashBomb

Kidding? I wish I was. I've lost a serious amount of respect for some people that I thought I knew. I'm truly sorry that some people around here made such an issue of things that should never have been an issue. I'm afraid that there's going to be bitterness for some time.

I am NOT an Obama supporter as president but ANY kind of racism absolutely puts me on fire.

[05 Busa LE]

Originally Posted by CrashBomb

Where did you grow up? I was born and raised here as well and am in the same group as you are when it comes to race and education. I voted the same way you did and for the same reason. But I also have seen a pretty distinct undercurrent of racism here for most of my life. This election brought it out more than I've seen in a long time.

Posted via Mobile Device Getting used to posting by phone. See below.

[05 Busa LE]

I grew up in Pittsburgh, and have lived around the country. I understand the older generation of Pittsburgh, like many cities, has its racist elements, but my middle-age friends from Pittsburgh are far from that generation. I hate to hear people paint with broad brushes, and simply don't believe what I've read in this thread.
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[CrashBomb]

Pittsburgh actually went pretty blue. The last I heard was almost 60-40. But up where I live there's been a LOT of ugliness.

Where did you go to school in Pittsburgh?

[Dino]

Originally Posted by Over_Easy

"Let's go change the World!"

'The World'? I thought this guy was running for the President of the United Stated not President of The World. These kinds of remarks lead me to believe being on the verge of being President, that this stuff is going to his head real quick. Can you say 'Messiah Complex?'

I can only pray the most Liberal Senator in existence goes to the center. *sigh*

I think it was very appropriate. Don't forget we are the Leaders of the Free World. The picture below was taken from the WWII Memorial in DC.

[ToXSicK RoCKeT]

Originally Posted by 05 Busa LE

I was born and raised in Western Pennsylvania, and I'm offended by those who would categorize me, my family, and my friends--without even knowing us.

I'm an educated, caucasian male, and not only did I vote for Barack Obama, but I also contributed to his campaign. And many of my friends did the same because we saw the man, not his color.

Take a few minutes and really listen (or read) what your President-Elect has to say--not what someone else has told you what he said. You'll see a man who's dedicated to helping the people of this Country.

www.barackobama.com

DUDE, are you serious? How is it he's gonna help "THE PEOPLE"...... what about the middle to upper class folks? The class(s) that probably 80-85% of the people on this board fall under! How is rasing the taxxes on the HARD WORKING CLASS(s) and giving it to the scumbag low class.........thats probably never worked a day in there life, not because they couldn't but because they are too lazy to get up off there and GET A JOB? So ya, YOUR RIGHT......"hes dedicated to helping the people of this country"

[05 Busa LE]

Originally Posted by ToXSicK RoCKeT

DUDE, are you serious? How is it he's gonna help "THE PEOPLE"...... what about the middle to upper class folks? The class(s) that probably 80-85% of the people on this board fall under! How is rasing the taxxes on the HARD WORKING CLASS(s) and giving it to the scumbag low class.........thats probably never worked a day in there life, not because they couldn't but because they are too lazy to get up off there and GET A JOB? So ya, YOUR RIGHT......"hes dedicated to helping the people of this country"

Take a few minutes and really listen (or read) what your President-Elect has to say--not what someone else has told you what he said. You'll see a man who's dedicated to helping the people of this Country.

[Dino]

Originally Posted by 05 Busa LE

Take a few minutes and really listen (or read) what your President-Elect has to say--not what someone else has told you what he said. You'll see a man who's dedicated to helping the people of this Country.

Come on don't you know better than to ask ToxSick to read?

[Over_Easy]

Originally Posted by 05 Busa LE

Take a few minutes and really listen (or read) what your President-Elect has to say--not what someone else has told you what he said. You'll see a man who's dedicated to helping the people of this Country.

Good Lord! I have listened ad nauseam. It's the "how" aspect of his vision in helping people that many people (47% of those that voted) don't agree with. If you were to read his words as opposed to listen to them while he whoos you with his charismatic, preacher voice and tone you may have a better understanding as to why so many people are concerned having this guy as President.

I would vote for the guy in a second, but I'm a strong believer in gun rights, stomping out terrorism that threatens America around the globe, a strong immigration policy, drilling for oil until alternative energy comes on line, less government, lower taxes and pro-life legislation. Unfortunately, Obama is not.

Not one person I have spoken with that voted for Obama could provide me with a valid reason why they voted "for" Obama. Most responded with because they hated Palin, thought McCain was too old, thought Obama would improve the economy (although none could give me an explanation as to how because they don't know economics from their elbow), pull troops immediately out of Iraq (which he has since toned down on) or we can have alternative energy and automoblies within his first year in office (riiiiight).

[05 Busa LE]

Originally Posted by Over_Easy

Good Lord! I have listened ad nauseam. It's the "how" aspect of his vision in helping people that many people (47% of those that voted) don't agree with. If you were to read his words as opposed to listen to them while he whoos you with his charismatic, preacher voice and tone you may have a better understanding as to why so many people are concerned having this guy as President.

I would vote for the guy in a second, but I'm a strong believer in gun rights, stomping out terrorism that threatens America around the globe, a strong immigration policy, drilling for oil until alternative energy comes on line, less government, lower taxes and pro-life legislation. Unfortunately, Obama is not.

Not one person I have spoken with that voted for Obama could provide me with a valid reason why they voted "for" Obama. Most responded with because they hated Palin, thought McCain was too old, thought Obama would improve the economy (although none could give me an explanation as to how because they don't know economics from their elbow), pull troops immediately out of Iraq (which he has since toned down on) or we can have alternative energy and automoblies within his first year in office (riiiiight).

I actually read quite extensively about McCain and Obama before the election. From what you've written, I can easily tell that you haven't read much except party-line propaganda. But it doesn't matter, since Barack Obama is the President-Elect of the United States of America, and John McCain is a Senator from Arizona.

And if you really want me to answer each of your points, just respond and I'll be glad to provide you with the education I wish you would have obtained before you voted.

[05 Busa LE]

Aw, what the heck ... I'll just go ahead and do it. But don't take my word for it; you can see all of this on the President-Elect's website, barackobama.com. Here are the highlights from his website, but you can read the entire plan there as well.

Defense:

Barack Obama will rebuild the military for 21st century tasks:
Obama and Biden will complete the effort to increase our ground forces by 65,000 soldiers and 27,000 Marines. They will also invest in 21st century missions like counterinsurgency by building up our special operations forces, civil affairs, information operations, foreign language training and other units and capabilities that remain in chronic short supply.

Restore the readiness of the National Guard and Reserves:
Obama and Biden will provide the National Guard with the equipment it needs for foreign and domestic emergencies. They will ensure that reservists and Guard members are treated fairly when it comes to employment, health, and education benefits.

Engage our allies in meeting our common security challenges:
Obama and Biden will renew alliances and ensure our allies contribute their fair share to our mutual security.

Barack Obama will defeat terrorism worldwide:
Obama and Biden will find, disrupt, and destroy al Qaeda; prepare the military to meet 21st century threats; and win “the Battle of Ideas” by ensuring American foreign policy is consistent with America's traditional values.

Prevent nuclear terrorism:
Obama and Biden will lead the effort to secure nuclear weapons materials at vulnerable sites within four years and help our allies stop the smuggling of weapons of mass destruction.

Strengthen American biosecurity:
Obama and Biden will work to prevent bioterror attacks and mitigate consequences by improving U.S. intelligence collection and response management.

Immigration:

Barack Obama will secure our borders:
Obama and Biden want to preserve the integrity of our borders. They support additional personnel, infrastructure, and technology on the border and at our ports of entry.

Improve our immigration system:
Obama and Biden believe we must fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy and increase the number of legal immigrants to keep families together and meet the demand for jobs that employers cannot fill.

Bring people out of the shadows:
Obama and Biden support a system that requires undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.

Alternative Energy:

Provide short-term relief to American families facing pain at the pump
Help create five million new jobs by strategically investing $150 billion over the next ten years to catalyze private efforts to build a clean energy future.
Within 10 years save more oil than we currently import from the Middle East and Venezuela combined.

Put 1 million Plug-In Hybrid cars -- cars that can get up to 150 miles per gallon -- on the road by 2015, cars that we will work to make sure are built here in America.

Ensure 10 percent of our electricity comes from renewable sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025.

Implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050.

Taxation:

Cut taxes for 95 percent of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples.

Provide generous tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth.

Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses, cut corporate taxes for firms that invest and create jobs in the United States, and provide tax credits to reduce the cost of healthcare and to reward investments in innovation.

Dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class Americans to do their own taxes in less than five minutes without an accountant.

Women's Rights:

Supports a Woman's Right to Choose:
Barack Obama understands that abortion is a divisive issue, and respects those who disagree with him. However, he has been a consistent champion of reproductive choice and will make preserving women's rights under Roe v. Wade a priority as President. He opposes any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in that case.

Preventing Unintended Pregnancy:
Barack Obama is an original co-sponsor of legislation to expand access to contraception, health information and preventive services to help reduce unintended pregnancies. Introduced in January 2007, the Prevention First Act will increase funding for family planning and comprehensive sex education that teaches both abstinence and safe sex methods. The Act will also end insurance discrimination against contraception, improve awareness about emergency contraception, and provide compassionate assistance to rape victims.