Joe The Plumber - Fail

[busaville]

Originally Posted by 99'busa

yes... what does the fact that he owes 1200. prove. now they're slinging mud at this poor joe.

he can thank Mccain for that

[ozz]

Originally Posted by Ninja Eater

So it comes down to asking a question now and getting stung for doing so. This is listening to the media that has the facts wrong to begin witn. Who cares what Joe does. He never said he maid any amount of money etc. He never said he owned a business or had a licence. He asked a question and now the media is digging into his past. That is just wrong... It is also wrong for all of us to treat this as more than a question of re-distributing the wealth.

well saidyep it simply boils down to re-distribusion, its socialism and we are not socialists...i have seen this before with carter, obama will raise the capital gains tax along with every other tax scheme he can foist on bussiness in order spread some money around to those who did not earn it, those taxes that are taken from bussiness will simply be passed along in higher prices on products we must use so in essense the govt has taxed us again by way of a hidden tax scheme

we pay more to the company for their products we must have, the company gives the govt the money they demand, and the govt gets your cash without saying its directly taxing you....neat here we go again

[Mr Bogus]

I have noted that Mccain supporters tend to be self employed, self motivated and responsible individuals...

conversely, Obama tends to bring out the "hourly" vote.. and those that figure they have been screwed or are "owed" something... redistribution of wealth (never worked before, guess it will now huh?)

not sure I understand what this is about but I think I want the people that have succeeded at business and life to pick my next pres.... I figure they know more than I do...

[johnnycrash]

Originally Posted by Ninja Eater

So it comes down to asking a question now and getting stung for doing so. This is listening to the media that has the facts wrong to begin witn. Who cares what Joe does. He never said he maid any amount of money etc. He never said he owned a business or had a licence. He asked a question and now the media is digging into his past. That is just wrong... It is also wrong for all of us to treat this as more than a question of re-distributing the wealth.

+1000!!!

Politics aside, this regular guy is now getting his life and possibly his livelihood ripped apart in the public eye just because he attended a presidential debate and asked a question. Its BS in IMHO.

[Southside Playa]

Originally Posted by busaville

he can thank Mccain for that

+1

He can thank McCain for that. He is the one that brought him to the forefront.

And I know you all aren't squawking over his personal life being exposed. YOu know the drill, as soon as you get thrown into the arena (whether you like it or not) you life become public knowledge. It would be no different if Obama had fronted someone that publicly questioned McCain.

And again, someone please tell me why it is that "Joe" the hourly dude is so supportive of legislaiton that will not benefit him and his family.

99' I can feel your argument as a business owner that may be faced with more expenditures.

Sam, buddy not all of us Obama supporter are "hourly". I happen to be a salaried guy myself and have delved into my own business(es) on several occassions.

[Dino]

Originally Posted by 99'busa

And to add to that. I will HAVE to provide health ins. to my employees. My co. is not that big. It's hard for me to keep benefits for my own family. I would have to raise my prices accross the board to all the companies we do work for and would loose them to alll the smaller painting co.'s that dont have employees.

I am not sure why you don't feel obligated to provide health insurance. Aren't healthy employees more likely to show up for work?

[Dino]

Originally Posted by ozz

well saidyep it simply boils down to re-distribusion, its socialism and we are not socialists...i have seen this before with carter, obama will raise the capital gains tax along with every other tax scheme he can foist on bussiness in order spread some money around to those who did not earn it, those taxes that are taken from bussiness will simply be passed along in higher prices on products we must use so in essense the govt has taxed us again by way of a hidden tax scheme

we pay more to the company for their products we must have, the company gives the govt the money they demand, and the govt gets your cash without saying its directly taxing you....neat here we go again

Is it not WAY more socialist for the government to take ownership of banks? Didn't McCain vote for that? Wouldn't that also make McCain a Socialist?

[Mr Bogus]

Originally Posted by sjcurrence

I am not sure why you don't feel obligated to provide health insurance. Aren't healthy employees more likely to show up for work?

awww you are not an employer are you?

cost of an employee:

50% wages
50% taxes/SS/Benefits
now you want to tack on another $200-400 a month for health insurance to a person that might make that a pay period with no degree or formal education..

I took this person with no skills, taught them a job and now I owe them the world...

Look, I understand the sense of "entitlement" that many get from working..

I have a always had an employer willing to pay from 60% to 100% of my health insurance in order to keep my "Skills" at their business...

but reality is if YOU the EMPLOYEE does not go out of YOUR way to become educated (Like go to school? like get a degree?) then you should be grateful that some employer took your homie butt off the street and gave you an opportunity to get ahead...

AND before you cry "well school costs a lot of money" I paid for every dime of my education.. no handout, no pell grant, no scholarships... just money... save your pennies and skip the big screen, fancy cars, bikes etc and INVEST in your own future... heck it is tough enough as an educated worker to find and hold a good job and make ends meet....

uneducated lazy workers? better hope for a union job I guess...

[HillsRider]

Originally Posted by sjcurrence

I am not sure why you don't feel obligated to provide health insurance. Aren't healthy employees more likely to show up for work?

You don't have a clue what health insurance costs a company, do you? We don't need the government to give everyone health insurance, we need to go to the root of the problem and get health care costs under control. But that isn't going to happen because you are messing with a multi-billion dollar business that the lawyers love. And lawyers are nothing more than future politicians. I am REALLY starting to hate politics...

[Dino]

Originally Posted by Mr Biscuit

awww you are not an employer are you?

cost of an employee:

50% wages
50% taxes/SS/Benefits
now you want to tack on another $200-400 a month for health insurance to a person that might make that a pay period with no degree or formal education..

I took this person with no skills, taught them a job and now I owe them the world...

Look, I understand the sense of "entitlement" that many get from working..

I have a always had an employer willing to pay from 60% to 100% of my health insurance in order to keep my "Skills" at their business...

but reality is if YOU the EMPLOYEE does not go out of YOUR way to become educated (Like go to school? like get a degree?) then you should be grateful that some employer took your homie butt off the street and gave you an opportunity to get ahead...

AND before you cry "well school costs a lot of money" I paid for every dime of my education.. no handout, no pell grant, no scholarships... just money... save your pennies and skip the big screen, fancy cars, bikes etc and INVEST in your own future...

Wow that says a lot about your opinon of Blue Class workers.

So workers should be greatful for work? Ok, I agree but shouldn't employers also be greatful for good employees? Actually employeers that provide the best benefits get the best employees.

However I agree that everyone shoud strive to educate themselves no matter the cost.

Now what exactly did you mean by: "...took your homie butt off the street... "

[HillsRider]

Originally Posted by sjcurrence

Is it not WAY more socialist for the government to take ownership of banks? Didn't McCain vote for that? Wouldn't that also make McCain a Socialist?

Then why was the first vote on the bailout supported by more Democrats that Republicans?

[Ezduzit]

[quote=sjcurrence;1733639]Wow that says a lot about your opinon of Blue Class workers.

So workers should be greatful for work? Ok, I agree but shouldn't employers also be greatful for good employees? Actually employeers that provide the best benefits get the best employees.

However I agree that everyone shoud strive to educate themselves no matter the cost.

Now what exactly did you mean by: "...took your homie butt off the street... "[/QUOTE

Interesting quote!

[Dino]

Originally Posted by HillsRider

Then why was the first vote on the bailout supported by more Democrats that Republicans?

Yes but the question is pertaining to McCain.

[ozz]

Originally Posted by sjcurrence

Is it not WAY more socialist for the government to take ownership of banks? Didn't McCain vote for that? Wouldn't that also make McCain a Socialist?

yep it sure would...scary isent it

[ozz]

but i would rather have a slow march to control with the hope that my countrymen will see the light before its to late instead of a sprint by the Dems who desire nothing more than my money and freedom in that order

[SAMBUSA]

Originally Posted by KokomoBusa

People would knowingly vote for the dangerous and dimwitted Mccain because he's a Conservative...The same way that Christians believe in their imaginary friend no matter how silly/incompetant/inaccurate/yadda yadda... Sheeple don't want what's best for them...they want to belong to the group. If they all vote for the TITLE that they like, then no one's at fault when shat gets deep...instead they just change the title of the person they voted for. HE betrayed us....HE is a liar....HE isn't one of us.

In then name of the all powerful Fonzie....let us AYYYYYYYEEEEE

Wow. This post really shows how much of a jackass you really are. Good job

[SAMBUSA]

Originally Posted by Southside Playa

+1

He can thank McCain for that. He is the one that brought him to the forefront.

And I know you all aren't squawking over his personal life being exposed. YOu know the drill, as soon as you get thrown into the arena (whether you like it or not) you life become public knowledge. It would be no different if Obama had fronted someone that publicly questioned McCain.

And again, someone please tell me why it is that "Joe" the hourly dude is so supportive of legislaiton that will not benefit him and his family.

99' I can feel your argument as a business owner that may be faced with more expenditures.

Sam, buddy not all of us Obama supporter are "hourly". I happen to be a salaried guy myself and have delved into my own business(es) on several occassions.

I think you mean Biscuit, not me. Are you sure you know who you are voting for?

[Southside Playa]

You got me, I was referring to Mr. Bogus/Buscuit or whomever he is today. Maybe after the election he could be The Rider that Formerly Supported the Loser!!

And yes, I know I am voting for Barack Obama. Feel free to join me!!

BaRock The Vote

[runeight]

Originally Posted by SAMBUSA

Wow. This post really shows how much of a jackass you really are. Good job

Joe Biden comes to mind also.

r8

[99'busa]

Originally Posted by sjcurrence

I am not sure why you don't feel obligated to provide health insurance. Aren't healthy employees more likely to show up for work?

Believe me I would LOVE to be able to do that. Do you have to pay for your health care? If you did you would know how expensive it is for SMALL group plans and the lowsy benefits it comes with. It would be like giving EVERY one of my guys a 25% pay raise EA. I would HAVE to pass that on to "customers" and guess what they are all going to do>>> shop around until they find a co. that doesnt have employees to have to do this. Just because I don't give them heath benefits doesn't mean their spouse doesn't. They large corporations with 80+ employees get better plans and have more profit than I do.