300+ HP. safely with pump gas safely....here's how it works

[GPW]

Have a read here. They actually show points to be 87-88-89-90-91-92 a difference of (5) points between the fuels and UK based fuels to have higher. This is how the Maxima rep/engineer explained the point increase to me as advertised on their bottle which makes sense on how much power we are pulling with pump gas and zero signs of detonation. Actual testing has been outstanding.

The .10 theory would be useless in their advertising as well.

Tolene is the main additive in the Maxima additive the Octane chart shows much higher Octane Ratings for it.

Octane rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[GPW]

We are also running this same set-up in our 1441 project bike which has a pretty decent compression ratio on top of a 70 shot of dry NOS. Pulled the head to make some changes. The pistons, valves, plugs and head were in like new condition. Just another result to go with our previous testing we have pounded the bike at the strip and LSR as well as street miles... We try to do more than read on the internet. We put the stuff in and put it to the tested of course I test it on my stuff first. Either it works or I am just one heck of a tuner.... )

[GPW]

Here is a stock GEN II Titanium Valve after 1100 miles in a NOS 1441 with Maxima used with every mile (dyno- 1/4 - LSR) ... oh we have this titanium set for sale if anyone needs a fresh set ...

Well thats it on my end, if you don't get it, you don't get it.

[piratediverjefff]

Originally Posted by GoldenChild

Jeff,I think you may want to look at your setup cause something else is happening besides the 91 octane gas..How mch boost were you running?...I would step back and read what you said,you melted 3 of 4 pistons and your a/f was good,so something else happened to melt them not the fuel.I ask could they have been damaged as your setup was being tuned and ran lean?who's kit?How many times did it go lean setting it up?how long after install did you have a failure?..just my 2 cents bro...Safe riding..

Just got logged back in,for some reason had to get a new password.

I had 15,000 miles on the stock motor when the turbo was installed and at around 17,000 started noticing a small puff of blue smoke now and then when at a stoplight,etc.(from which i understand can come from turbo being mounted too low,etc.).Went and had a compression/leakdown test performed(at just over 18,000) and found one cyl. down about 40 psi over the others,and when disassembled found 3 of the pistons with thumbnail size chunks missing(2 per piston,on the intake side)with the 4th piston looking seemingly ok(also think the head gasket was popped between 2 of the cylinders).Wasn't there when it was tuned and so not sure about the rest,but it's a well known manufacturer's kit(i think with a 7.25 spring)and the dyno sheet i got showed the A/FR never rising above 11.4-11.6 throughout the entire rpm range.I was told even a few tanks of bad gas could have caused/contributed to it and since we only have 91 out here to begin with sounded reasonable to me.Hoping it doesn't happen again.

Thanks,
Jeff

[GoldenChild]

Originally Posted by piratediverjefff

Just got logged back in,for some reason had to get a new password.

I had 15,000 miles on the stock motor when the turbo was installed and at around 17,000 started noticing a small puff of blue smoke now and then when at a stoplight,etc.(from which i understand can come from turbo being mounted too low,etc.).Went and had a compression/leakdown test performed(at just over 18,000) and found one cyl. down about 40 psi over the others,and when disassembled found 3 of the pistons with thumbnail size chunks missing(2 per piston,on the intake side)with the 4th piston looking seemingly ok(also think the head gasket was popped between 2 of the cylinders).Wasn't there when it was tuned and so not sure about the rest,but it's a well known manufacturer's kit(i think with a 7.25 spring)and the dyno sheet i got showed the A/FR never rising above 11.4-11.6 throughout the entire rpm range.I was told even a few tanks of bad gas could have caused/contributed to it and since we only have 91 out here to begin with sounded reasonable to me.Hoping it doesn't happen again.

Thanks,
Jeff

We all hope it never happens,safe riding to you...

[GPW]

Just to add to the testing of the Maxima by HPC. We had a customer recently that wanted to spray a 70 shot on his Gen II Busa, no big deal but he wanted to use MR9 . Keep in mind MR9 is only 87 Octane....He wanted to run as strong as possible on motor until the last two gears....risky but we tried it. We only lost .5 HP of the usual 5 HP gain with MR9 by adding the Maxima

He was adament it was going to happen no matter what. So I added Maxima High Octane Booster to his MR9 at a ratio of 2.5 ounces per gallon of MR9...worked great on the dyno tuned to a fat AFR of 12.0, worked at a recent LSR event for the time the unit was active .

No reported failures or issues to date.

Do not try this at home I fortunately get a lot of partly sane folks who want to try something new, in God we trust.

[piratediverjefff]

Originally Posted by GoldenChild

We all hope it never happens,safe riding to you...

Thanks,me too.

[ogre]

what's the point of mr9 if it's only 87 octane?

[GPW]

Originally Posted by ogre

what's the point of mr9 if it's only 87 octane?

automatic 5HP on motor...

[ogre]

? how's that work?

[California Kid]

[GPW]

Originally Posted by ogre

? how's that work?

As long as you have a rock solid fuel map, you can swap out your pump fuel for MR9...must get it all out of the tank and fuel system when done using it.

If you want to have your map tweaked with MR9 you will get the max gains...Stabal does help to preserve the fuel but a pure clean and flush is required.

[Got-Busa?]

Originally Posted by GPW

Just to add to the testing of the Maxima by HPC. We had a customer recently that wanted to spray a 70 shot on his Gen II Busa, no big deal but he wanted to use MR9 . Keep in mind MR9 is only 87 Octane....He wanted to run as strong as possible on motor until the last two gears....risky but we tried it. We only lost .5 HP of the usual 5 HP gain with MR9 by adding the Maxima

He was adament it was going to happen no matter what. So I added Maxima High Octane Booster to his MR9 at a ratio of 2.5 ounces per gallon of MR9...worked great on the dyno tuned to a fat AFR of 12.0, worked at a recent LSR event for the time the unit was active .

No reported failures or issues to date.

Do not try this at home I fortunately get a lot of partly sane folks who want to try something new, in God we trust.

That is crazy! Someone has money to burn....

[Spkrdctr]

GPW, I would take one other track. I too have done a lot of work with additives. The next time you get a bike on a dyno, try your best mix with the additive (premium plus additive) then with the same bike at roughly the same time, use a 110 or higher race gas to compare the dyno charts. So far, you have been very lucky with your additive, due to your tuning capabilities. Keep it rich and you might be alright, if anyone of your bike owners lean anything out, you might see detonation real quick.

Also, you can pour as much toluene into your gasoline as you want. You can easliy put two cans into a gallon of premium gas. It has diminishing returns, but it will give you the highest octane you can get with the additive. Good Luck!

I'd like to talk with you in private messages about your experience with all of the oxygenated VP race gasolines. I have tuned with mega doses of oxygen but it is for men only and the exhaust is more toxic than normal, down right dangerous, but you can pull some power.....
Put Wiseco pistons on speed dial!

[Mr Bogus]

Originally Posted by Spkrdctr

GPW, I would take one other track. I too have done a lot of work with additives. The next time you get a bike on a dyno, try your best mix with the additive (premium plus additive) then with the same bike at roughly the same time, use a 110 or higher race gas to compare the dyno charts. So far, you have been very lucky with your additive, due to your tuning capabilities. Keep it rich and you might be alright, if anyone of your bike owners lean anything out, you might see detonation real quick.

Also, you can pour as much toluene into your gasoline as you want. You can easliy put two cans into a gallon of premium gas. It has diminishing returns, but it will give you the highest octane you can get with the additive. Good Luck!

I'd like to talk with you in private messages about your experience with all of the oxygenated VP race gasolines. I have tuned with mega doses of oxygen but it is for men only and the exhaust is more toxic than normal, down right dangerous, but you can pull some power.....
Put Wiseco pistons on speed dial!

+1 and a bottle of propylene oxide goes a long ways .. our experience is that most heavily oxygenated fuels loose their pop pretty quickly as the agents tend to boil off the fuel if left in for the street, not to mention corrosion issues that can arise..

typically useless for most and the cost of the fuel for a bracket racer is rather silly... fine for LSR/heads up racing or dyno mules..

Octane boosters are mixed bag.. some can lean the motor to the point of needing re-mapped.. again, just way to much hassle for a street guy.. now unless more than a handful of busa guys are really needing every last pony....

[piratediverjefff]

Did some reading on Toluene and seems to be a good choice for me to bump up this low ball CA 91 octane gas(appears that a 20% mix will raise 91 octane to an honest 95 or so,which should be enough of a safeguard for my little Stage 1 turbo when i want to let 'er rip now and then).

[Mr Bogus]

Originally Posted by piratediverjefff

Did some reading on Toluene and seems to be a good choice for me to bump up this low ball CA 91 octane gas(appears that a 20% mix will raise 91 octane to an honest 95 or so,which should be enough of a safeguard for my little Stage 1 turbo when i want to let 'er rip now and then).

do yourself a favor, stick to tried and true octane boosters if you gotta go that way (not the best idea IMHO).. Yea you can do some some chemistry and make something work but a good water injector will do as much as most..

Having drag raced for many years, I can tell you most guys do not rely on any octane booster, they get "real fuel"

if making good race fuel was that easy or that cheap, I can tell you that it would not be so expensive and/or there would be more competition in the market.. If all they had to do was dump a couple bucks worth of chemical in the can?

You are going to risk thousands of dollars to save a few bucks on fuel? regardless of "rock solid map" or not, you are going to loose eventually..

I can hear the LSR guys now... you used what?

[piratediverjefff]

Was just referring to the article i Googled "Toluene-Octane Booster FAQ".

According to it,Toluene is the main ingredient used in octane boosters?

I don't do any LSR or 1/4 mile stuff,street ridden only with an occasional roll on through the gears and just looking for a little extra safety out of our pump 91.Ordered some of the Maxima HiTest booster and the label listed Toluene as an ingredient so thought i'd look into it and the above article is what came up.

[piratediverjefff]

Was just referring to the article i Googled "Toluene-Octane Booster FAQ".

According to it,Toluene is the main ingredient used in octane boosters?

I don't do any LSR or 1/4 mile stuff,street ridden only with an occasional roll on through the gears and just looking for a little extra safety out of our pump 91.Ordered some of the Maxima HiTest booster and the label listed Toluene as an ingredient so thought i'd look into it and the above article is what came up.

[GPW]

Originally Posted by Spkrdctr

GPW, I would take one other track. I too have done a lot of work with additives. The next time you get a bike on a dyno, try your best mix with the additive (premium plus additive) then with the same bike at roughly the same time, use a 110 or higher race gas to compare the dyno charts. So far, you have been very lucky with your additive, due to your tuning capabilities. Keep it rich and you might be alright, if anyone of your bike owners lean anything out, you might see detonation real quick.

Also, you can pour as much toluene into your gasoline as you want. You can easliy put two cans into a gallon of premium gas. It has diminishing returns, but it will give you the highest octane you can get with the additive. Good Luck!

I'd like to talk with you in private messages about your experience with all of the oxygenated VP race gasolines. I have tuned with mega doses of oxygen but it is for men only and the exhaust is more toxic than normal, down right dangerous, but you can pull some power.....
Put Wiseco pistons on speed dial!

Good thoughts I agree with you a lot has to do with the tune and my customers under stand the stuff has to be mixed the same at all times. PM anytime you wish and I will try your suggestions.